americas law!

[tompas]

First of all before all the american patriotic ppl come to attack me i got to tell you , i am not american (and not french so don't worry )
(cause we all accept that we all "hate" Frenchmen ) and i will let you ppl guess from wich country am i.
Secondly i got to tell you that i love the U.S i went there a few times to travel i have family over there my country is quite a real partner on the U.S but as we all know there is a wave of hate against the U.S in the last decade and the "pick" of it was the terrible terror atack in 9/11 (**** bin laden!!!!), but i won't treat the "Islamic" problem over here rather of that i will treat the reason that "normal" western countries are taken the opposite side against the U.S, yes i know it is tough for you American's to think about it but you are not very popular those days in the world i will try to explain and i will bring one good example of the "American way of living" and i will take it from the field that we all share and love "online gambling".
Well as all of you know there are a few states in the U.S that the online gamling is permited and there are some that not ,o.k till now everything is normal.
Well our story got a twist when recently the N.Y state found an online casino and online poker operator that is sited in the bahamas "guilty" and demanded from him to close the online casino or at least not permiting the N.Y residents to bet in it!!!!!! all of that because an N.Y resident played in the online casino and lost his money (thing that can happen in the casino ,,duhhh ).
Well maybe i need to explain to you american ppl the absurd of the decision that the court (the american court) had.

If gambling is not permited in the u.s or any other country in the world it is the resident problem of not following the law of is country and not the online gambling operator (that is permited by the law in the country that the servers are located),.
The precedent of that decission is quite "danguerous" cause tomorrow an pro western country web site will lte ppl in Iran to buy "western" movies (wich are not permited in Iran) and the Iran court of law will take charges against him!!!!
WEll i got ot tell you to go easy on me cause English is not my language so hope i was o.k secondly i am waiting to "hear" from you ppl about the subject
Yours Tomas. (from the second and some times the first most hated country in the world )

[sir losealot]

The americans seem to be bouncing back a bit from the ripples of 9/11. You can see this in the currency markets...forex.
The USD lost alot of value until late 2004 but since then it has started to bounce back.
Will the bounce continue though. It seems the russians and chinese are building real strong relations that is altering the american agenda in north korea and iran.
Frances' decision to vote no on the Euro constitution really screwed up my forex portfolio...it scared me out of the market completely.
If no natural disasters screws up the american economy the USd may continue to rule for a while....ppl currently have no other currency to trust.
That's my political view on the Americans....they are on guard of their supremacy...but for how long? Will the bubble burst?

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As far as law and online games, this is my opinion.
If the games are indeed fair and as long as no one can prove them unfair then i think any decisions to outlaw anyone from playing the games is ridiculous and getting close to autocracy.
But on the other hand if someone could provide emperical(scientific) evidence that the games are unfair ( therefore the player is no longer gambling but a victim of theft) then it is the duty of any political leader to make laws against the ppl to get involved in such games. Ppl involved in unfair games are taking good money and losing it to thieves, therefore keeping it out of reach to empower the good works of the ppl.
So the big question is this....Is it fair gaming or theft?

If the answer is that it is fair then let the games continue and the ppl decide if they want to risk or gamble. The stockmarkets remain open because they are deemed efficient and fair so ppl are allowed to gamble or risk.
If the answer is that the games are unfair then it is the duty of any country to outlaw the activity of pseudo-gambling. This type of activity takes money out of the country and empowers the other guy. The leaders need to take this hardline approach.
You can't close down an operation that is not in your jurisdiction but you have to step in and stop the people from feeding that operation...starve the evil.

Again the question always remains this.
Is it gambling or theft? In gambling you have a few winners and lots of losers. In theft even the winners are losers.


Right now, i stand with the side of that the games are fair but there are rogues out there.

BTW...i'm a french canadian so mind your tongue mon ami

[BlackDog]

Yesterday I had a much longer reply all typed out in response to the original post and came within an inch of posting and thought better of it. This is not the place for political debate as far as I am concerned.

Suffice it to say that the original post contains many misconceptions of the United States and most of it's citizens. We do not HATE the French nor is the Islamic religion held in contempt here. (Sure there are bigots in this country that are the exception to that statement...let's not argue that. They are in the MINORITY!)

We place the blame squarely where it belongs...on the perpetrators of any attack against us or our allies. Regardless of what religion, nationality, or color the attackers are. Remember this...we will do whatever it takes to preserve our rights, lives, and country. Please note that money was not mentioned. I and most of the people in this country would give up every material thing they have to protect the aforementioned first, and then the financial well being comes into play. Mainly because we know that if we have our rights, lives and country, we can get everything else back with some hard work.

As to what other countries think of us...for the most part WE DON'T CARE WHAT THEY THINK! That may sound very cavalier and aloof, but for the most part we try to do what is right and sometimes the right thing is not the most popular thing. Remember this...The surest way for a tyrant to gain power is for good men to do NOTHING!

Now look what I did...I still went on a tirade when I said I shouldn't.

Anyway, as far as the online casino thing....refer to what sir losealot said. He pretty much nailed it.

[rookie789]

BlackDog, thanks for your post; From Sir Losealot's post I'm unclear where he stands concerning the USA, he offers praise and condemnation. He is reluctant and/or refuses to state his home country which indicates insecurity or jealousy about the freedoms we enjoy here. If someone makes the comments you do Sir Losealot at least be secure enough about yourself or your convictions to not hide behind a world globe, we are interested in the world's opinion of the USA but not anonymously as you chose to do. Be a man Sir Losealot and don't hide behind a monitor, that serves no purpose except to discredit any comments you make. rookie789 USA

[BlackDog]

Originally Posted by rookie789

BlackDog, thanks for your post; From Sir Losealot's post I'm unclear where he stands concerning the USA, he offers praise and condemnation. He is reluctant and/or refuses to state his home country which indicates insecurity or jealousy about the freedoms we enjoy here. If someone makes the comments you do Sir Losealot at least be secure enough about yourself or your convictions to not hide behind a world globe, we are interested in the world's opinion of the USA but not anonymously as you chose to do. Be a man Sir Losealot and don't hide behind a monitor, that serves no purpose except to discredit any comments you make. rookie789 USA

Thanks rookie789 but...

I think you mean the user "tompas" does not identify his country of residence, as "sir losealot" stated quite clearly that he was of French Canadian descent.

Either way I couldn't careless where either of from. My opinions of people are not based on where they are from or where they live. Quite honestly I think that "tompas" just does not understand what America and Americans are about. It does not surprise me and at the same time I do not resent him for it. Consider this, most Americans are probably just as uninformed of "tompas's" country as he is of America. He seems to want to learn and I think that is great. I am more than happy (probably a little too happy) to school him in our ways :D

Edited to add...I am done with this thread. If anyone would like to continue this please pm me and we can take it to a political forum.

[sir losealot]

Thanks for pointing that out to the rookie blackdog.
You should read carefully before making erroneous comments rookie.
As much as i would like to continue this political debate i will go the way of the blackdog.
I come to this site to increase my knowledge of games.
I will bring back political issues when i find an online casino that doesn't pay me my winnings. If and when that happens hopefully i can find support to bring down the evil rogues.(hopefully i'll see the american in you then rookie...lol)
Until then let's stick to numbers and let's debate blackjack and casino issues...