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Old December 3rd, 2011, 01:52 PM
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Default APs versus UHD-HCF challenges

Challengers are wanted to play against an HCF and some UHDs.

Most APs don't care much about playing against UHDs; however, they'll die to find and play against an HCF.

Well, where the hell is the challenge you ask? The challenge is this: a candidate needs to beat 2 UHDs before he goes for an HCF on my list.

Why am I challenging you guys you may ask? 'Cause I want to find an answer why certain thing happens the way it is.

1) Why do UHDs seem more harder to beat?
For example, I've not yet able to beat Dealers "Dee" & "Mee". I've loved to play a dealer 1on1. So on an holiday evening, I surprisingly spot Dealer Dee without any bj players even though all other tables in that pit were almost packed in full with players. I'd played him and got my ass kicked. I don't believe in voodoo, so whenever I ran into Dealer Dee, and I would play him mono-a-mono bj games. I just couldn't win against him. Likewise I got negative results for playing against Dealer Mee in other similar situations.

2) Why does certain HCF seem to pull more good cards than an holecarder?
There are good news and bad news about playing against an HCF.
Good news:
An holecarder always has an edge over an HCF, especially when an HCF has an ace on top and flashes a 10 underneath (100% sure insurance bet!).
Bad news:
There are times when an holecarder (HCD) has lost to an HCF because HCF gets stuck on good cards such as ace&10, 10&10, 10&9, 9&10, etc... Say an holecarder gets a hand of 18, & knows he needs to beat HCF's good hands (19, 20), but he can't because he may kill an holecarder's golden goose for an obvious reason (monkey business?).

Any challengers? I'll sweeten the deal in the challenge. You guys will be my guests, and I'll even provide free food and shelter for legit & qualified candidates/APs.


Notes:

1) HCF
It stands for HoleCardFlasher. HCF is a bj dealer who flashes his hole card toward the anchorman when he pulls his 2nd card out from the shoe before he covers it with his 1st card.
For example, the dealer's first card (i.e., an ace) is for all players to see. His 2nd card (holecard, i.e a 10) cannot be seen by the 3rd base player unless he "flashes" the holecard at a higher angle toward the anchorman (Assuming the dealer is not in cohorts with the 3rd baseman.)

2) UHDs
They stand for Unexplainable House Dealers. Who the hell are UHDs? JB has mentioned indirectly who are UHDs:

UHDs' characteristics:

I
"A note to card counters: [UHDs'] tables where you have a positive true count of 3 or 4 and the dealer constantly draws a 5 or 6 on 15 or 16"

II
"...tables...where the dealer is just standing, waiting for ...anyone...to play...---tables noticeably stand out in an otherwise full casino...----reason...especially during peak hours...the dealers are [you know what] RED HOT ...Players...usually don't last long without experiencing a substantial loss..."
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Old December 3rd, 2011, 02:47 PM
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Cool, but you are missing a thing or two

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Old December 4th, 2011, 12:25 AM
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Please define "beat" in unit terms in your challenge.
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Old December 4th, 2011, 08:01 AM
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If the casinos view holecarding as cheating (not legality but perception) why wouldn't they cheat the cheats. They might set up a nice "exploitable" game that will beat you every time when you holecard. They might use card mechanics or rig the CSM to deal so you lose. CSMs can sort a deck OR shuffle. It is clearly capable of preferentially picking cards. A good card mechanic can guarantee you lose (or win) every hand. We all know that dealers hit out and it may come in streaks naturally. We also know there is no such thing as a hot dealer when it comes to what will happen, there are only hot dealers when it comes to what has happened. We also know that casinos and dealers have cheated customers in the past. As Mulder liked to say the truth is out there. Well the truth is in this post somewhere. Is it just a bad streak like we have all seen or is it engineered somehow?
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Old December 7th, 2011, 07:41 PM
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If the casinos view holecarding as cheating (not legality but perception) why wouldn't they cheat the cheats. They might set up a nice "exploitable" game that will beat you every time when you holecard. They might use card mechanics or rig the CSM to deal so you lose. CSMs can sort a deck OR shuffle. It is clearly capable of preferentially picking cards. A good card mechanic can guarantee you lose (or win) every hand. We all know that dealers hit out and it may come in streaks naturally. We also know there is no such thing as a hot dealer when it comes to what will happen, there are only hot dealers when it comes to what has happened. We also know that casinos and dealers have cheated customers in the past. As Mulder liked to say the truth is out there. Well the truth is in this post somewhere. Is it just a bad streak like we have all seen or is it engineered somehow?
Good theory, but I don't think that AC casinos cheat, but a dealer would (in retaliation for not tipping!). For example, here's how he cheated me (I was at 1st bast):

A dealer

1) took out, flipped a card up (an ace) right in front of the shoe,

2) pushed & passed it by my $xxx bet,

3) and gave it to the anchorman.

The pit boss ruled it as a misdeal. The ace could not be pushed back to me once it's pushed & dropped to the next player. I was allowed to take my bet back. I didn't want to take any more oops-mistake from that dealer so I left.

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Please define "beat" in unit terms in your challenge.
"Beat" means 5% of $20,000 trip roll, $1,000 profit per 8 hours of plays with Dealer Dee from 8pm thru 4am. Then on another day you will play with Dealer Mee from 4am~12pm for another 1,000 bucks.
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Old December 8th, 2011, 04:06 PM
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$1000 is above expectation for 8hrs on a 20k roll, even betting full kelly. Unless this game offers something better than typical 6 deck 75%pen. Can you pm me the venue?
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Old December 9th, 2011, 11:15 PM
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$1000 is above expectation for 8hrs on a 20k roll, even betting full kelly. Unless this game offers something better than typical 6 deck 75%pen. Can you pm me the venue?
The profit benchmark is negotiable. I confess that I "borrow" the initial 5% benchmark from BjTraveller.

The first venue will be in XYZ Casino where Dealers Dee & Mee work.
Here's some game info of XYZ:
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Decks	CutOff	Min	Max	Rules
				
6	1~1.5	$25	$3,000	1) OK to play up to 3 hands per player. 
				2) Dealer stands on soft 17.	
				3) Resplit:	
				For aces, once only,	
				For non-aces, triple times, to make 4hands.	
				4) Other AC rules apply, such as double down after splitting, no mid-game entry, etc...

The 2nd venue will be in ABC Casino where HCF works.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 09:53 AM
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2) UHDs
They stand for Unexplainable House Dealers. Who the hell are UHDs? JB has mentioned indirectly who are UHDs:
Who the hell is JB???

The true fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as an "Unexplainable House Dealer". Just because this "JB" guy can't explain why some dealers "seem" to run hotter than others does NOT mean that there's no explanation.

I have MYSELF had many dealers over the years that I just couldn't seem to beat, and have won way below expectation against them. On the other hand, I've had just as many dealers in which I've won way ABOVE expectation. The former and the latter are easily explainable mathematically or otherwise.

Not sure what your REAL agenda is - but to tell us that we get to test a "voodoo" theory, then if we pass this test; we get to play a HC game? Something's wrong with this picture. If your motive is simply that you'd like to meet some APs, why not just come out and ASK us? Unless there's some other reason....

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Old December 10th, 2011, 10:52 AM
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Who the hell is JB???

The true fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as an "Unexplainable House Dealer". Just because this "JB" guy can't explain why some dealers "seem" to run hotter than others does NOT mean that there's no explanation.

I have MYSELF had many dealers over the years that I just couldn't seem to beat, and have won way below expectation against them. On the other hand, I've had just as many dealers in which I've won way ABOVE expectation. The former and the latter are easily explainable mathematically or otherwise.

Not sure what your REAL agenda is - but to tell us that we get to test a "voodoo" theory, then if we pass this test; we get to play a HC game? Something's wrong with this picture. If your motive is simply that you'd like to meet some APs, why not just come out and ASK us? Unless there's some other reason....

For now a healthy dose of skepticism is vital to protect your priceless identity. I'll answer all your questions when I confirm in fact you're a legit AP. Will you be in AC playing BJs within the next 7 days, if so, give me a hint of

1) the color of your cap or pants,
2) venue
3) date
4) shift

I'll find you, and a free meal and beers will be on me.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 01:05 PM
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You missed my whole point. Do you actually think that a REAL AP is going jump at the chance to take up a stranger's offer of such dubious intent? For all anyone knows you could be nothing more than a casino spy who's trying to identify APs. Or WORSE!



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when I confirm in fact you're a legit AP
I've been a member of this site for about 3 years now. I can tell who the legitimate APs are after 5 posts.
 

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