High roller, low min table ownership.

[junior_counter]

Gave in. Waited until the end of a shoe, end of high rollers table play.

Something I didn't think I'd do when requested to hold off for a shoe to end. Was backcounting a would be nice table with just one player. Count for entry came, and was requested by the dealer on behalf of the high roller, betting ~$150 base unit, to refrain from playing at this table now. I didn't ask whether till the shoe ended, or wait until he was done playing at this table completely. Assume it was until the end of the shoe only. Not to make a scene, I agreed and sat out for a while. Count was only increasing. A bit frustrated seeing this opportunity pass, I asked for my players card back that I had handed the dealer when I first sat, said I'm not waiting and will play at another table.

Prior to this actual situation, I thought I'd have to decline player(s) request not to enter a hard earned backcounted shoe. Well it happened, and being this guy seemed to be a well known regular customer by the casino, I backed off. He seemed like he'd be that type of jacka$$ to make a fuss if someone entered his precious table/shoe. I didn't want the attention.

The thing that bothered me, is why did he have to hog up this low min table, when there were plenty of empty tables available in the high roller area, with better rules going with the higher minimum bet he easily met?

Table was not reserved; he was not counting, and was not shuffle tracking as the table had an ASM.

[creeping panther]

You were very smart to have walked

CP

[21forme]

CP - I'm surprised you said that, being the warrior that you are

In that situation, I'd first ask if it was a NMS table. If the answer is no (which you already knew), I'd reply I'll wait a few more hands. If the count drops back down, move on. If the count rises, I'd jump in at +2 and bet about the same as Mr. High Roller. If he gets pissed and leaves, all the better.

[blackjack avenger]

Originally Posted by 21forme

CP - I'm surprised you said that, being the warrior that you are

In that situation, I'd first ask if it was a NMS table. If the answer is no (which you already knew), I'd reply I'll wait a few more hands. If the count drops back down, move on. If the count rises, I'd jump in at +2 and bet about the same as Mr. High Roller. If he gets pissed and leaves, all the better.

X2

I would bet $200 on opening hand

[EmeraldCityBJ]

I'd handle this based on where I was playing.

If it's a local casino where longevity is important to me, I'll avoid doing anything which will make a scene or irritate a regular customer or the pit. There will always be another shoe on another day.

If I'm travelling to a casino I won't be visiting again in the forseeable future, I'd play anyway with little regard to who gets pissed off. If I'm encumbered with travel expenses and limited playing opportunities on the trip, I'm not going to want to give up the EV for the sake of keeping a ploppy or the pit happy.

[Meistro]

sounds wise to not make a scene. Could attempt a leading statement w/ high roller 'you don't mind if I join you, do you dude?' said w/ high energy and happiness in your voice 'don't worry i won't do anything crazy like doubling on 12!' might as well enter for minimum at TC 1 since it's better cover and neutral ev.

[creeping panther]

Originally Posted by 21forme

CP - I'm surprised you said that, being the warrior that you are

In that situation, I'd first ask if it was a NMS table. If the answer is no (which you already knew), I'd reply I'll wait a few more hands. If the count drops back down, move on. If the count rises, I'd jump in at +2 and bet about the same as Mr. High Roller. If he gets pissed and leaves, all the better.

It is simple, to get respect, show respect, the OP rightly realized this. ( No Warrior needed)

It also would have been a mistake for the OP to draw unneeded attention to himself that may have led to heat, all for the sake of a moment of greed, and an opportunity that will present itself thousands of times in the future.

Consider the dealer that asked the OP to delay entry, best not to DISS the dealer, that act can also be very damaging in the near future if you are to continue at this venue.

As I said, right choice for the OP. Good Man.

CP

[aslan]

I'm thinking you're not making a scene if you quietly enter the game after announcing that you will wait a few hands, as 21forme suggested. The other player may make a scene, but I would just quietly sit there and not react to whatever nonsense he decides on. Let HIM draw the attention to himself if he is set on that, not you. No arguments, no justifying remarks, just a bit of annoyance at being treated like you did something wrong. Never lose it.

I was in a PA casino last week and I stopped to watch some guy betting stacks of blacks on a $25 min table. A security guard gave me the "tap" and asked me to move on, saying this fellow does not like anyone watching his play. Well, I wasn't going to defy security, but I thought that took the cake. I moved to the next table and observed the same game from that greater distance. BTW, the security guard and his companion security guard remained behind the table doing exactly what they had prevented me from doing. WTH!!??

[blackjack avenger]

Originally Posted by EmeraldCityBJ

I'd handle this based on where I was playing.

If it's a local casino where longevity is important to me, I'll avoid doing anything which will make a scene or irritate a regular customer or the pit. There will always be another shoe on another day.

If I'm travelling to a casino I won't be visiting again in the forseeable future, I'd play anyway with little regard to who gets pissed off. If I'm encumbered with travel expenses and limited playing opportunities on the trip, I'm not going to want to give up the EV for the sake of keeping a ploppy or the pit happy.

Tend to agree

[blackjack avenger]

By coming in with a big bet you become top dog

I imagine the other player tipped, perhaps something to consider doing.