Good Idea?

#1
In Stanford Wong's 'Professional Blackjack' he writes that the most important thing for a card counter after basic strategy is varying your bets according to the count. He also says that the basic strategy variations are secondary and minor. I'd like to know if I should experiment and learn card counting by first only varying my bets based on the count, and then eventually utilizing the extra advantages offered by the BS variations.

Can someone offer betting guidelines based on the count? Thanks.
 

Canceler

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#2
Whatsmytotal said:
I'd like to know if I should experiment and learn card counting by first only varying my bets based on the count...
Yes.

Whatsmytotal said:
Can someone offer betting guidelines based on the count?
Hard to believe this wasn't covered in the book.
 

sagefr0g

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#3
Canceler said:
Yes.


Hard to believe this wasn't covered in the book.
he does cover betting in chapter 14. its' a bit of a complex treatment.
i'd just suggest that he wong out at tc<=0 after two decks and then bet as follows:
tc=0 1U if less than two decks dealt
tc=1 1U
tc=2 2U
tc=3 4U
tc=4 6u
tc>=5 8U ir 6x6

that would be for the most common six deck games and if whatsmytotal has a rather limited bankroll.

best regards,
mr fr0g
 

ortango

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#4
Just google "Illustrious 18" and you should get a good start. Begin with the lower count indexes, such as the -2 through +2, since they will come up most often, and move on when you get comfortable.

I'm pretty new to counting too, and it took me a long time to be really comfortable to start using any more than a couple indexes (while trying to count inconspicuously).

And use you own advice and master BS -->counting---> indexes thoroughly before moving to the next.
 
#5
sagefr0g said:
he does cover betting in chapter 14. its' a bit of a complex treatment.
i'd just suggest that he wong out at tc<=0 after two decks and then bet as follows:
tc=0 1U if less than two decks dealt
tc=1 1U
tc=2 2U
tc=3 4U
tc=4 6u
tc>=5 8U ir 6x6

that would be for the most common six deck games and if whatsmytotal has a rather limited bankroll.

best regards,
mr fr0g
Are there any betting schedules not based on the TC that one can use with the high low count? Also can you explain 'ir6x6'.
 
#6
Whatsmytotal said:
In Stanford Wong's 'Professional Blackjack' he writes that the most important thing for a card counter after basic strategy is varying your bets according to the count. He also says that the basic strategy variations are secondary and minor. I'd like to know if I should experiment and learn card counting by first only varying my bets based on the count, and then eventually utilizing the extra advantages offered by the BS variations.

Can someone offer betting guidelines based on the count? Thanks.


I agree with Wong. But although spreading based on the count is more important than BS variations (also called "index plays") or insurance, they are also what adds risk to the game. When we take a beating, it's always because we raised our bets on good counts just like we are supposed to, and then got those good counts shoved up our butts. If practicing at home on a computer, you can learn the different skills a counter needs in any order you find convenient. But if you want to practice in a casino with real money, I'd recommend this order.

1. Learn basic strategy cold, at home, before setting foot in a casino.
2. Find a casino with favorable rules (S17, LS, RSA, DAS, as many of those rules as available), low table limits ($5 or less) and hopefully, decent comps for table game players.
3. Spend a recreational evening at the BJ table placing minimum bets and playing basic strategy. That's all. You want to make sure you don't forget BS at the table. Keep on doing this until you never forget or misplay Basic Strategy.
4. Spend another night playing BS, counting, and taking insurance when the count is right. All you have to remember is what point to take insurance at. Do this until counting is effortless and you don't catch yourself making errors.
5. Learn the index plays a few at a time and incorporate them into your play. At this point you can also start with a small spread. Maybe a 1:2 spread, and practice Wonging out (escaping bad counts by walking away from the table) too. Once you get to this point you are usually playing with a very small advantage, so consider all the education you get from here on to be free, plus comps.

Once you can do all this, you are ready to start attacking a game with a full spread up to what your bankroll can handle. The reason I give this advice in an order that seems backwards in order of importance is: if you are freezing up on Basic Strategy in a real money game (as many players do) or frequently forgetting the count, reversing the count, etc., it doesn't make any sense to go after a game with a 1:20 spread because you can lose a lot of money that way. And putting down a lot of money without knowing the index plays puts those big bets at a bigger risk and there's no reason a novice should be exposed to that when learning. Learning the game in this manner might cost you $50-$100 in EV, which is a hell of a bargain because unlike books and software it will make sure that you are able to apply your skills in the casino where it counts.
 

sagefr0g

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#7
Whatsmytotal said:
Are there any betting schedules not based on the TC that one can use with the high low count? Also can you explain 'ir6x6'.
sorry the ir6x6 was a miss-type.
it was supposed to be ( or 6x6 ) that would be two hands betting six units on each hand instead of 8 units on one hand.
you do need to use the true count when you use hi/lo .

best regards,
mr fr0g :D
 
#8
sagefr0g said:
you do need to use the true count when you use hi/lo .
According to Revere, in the Plus Minus system you make all decisions based on the 'up to date count', i.e. the running count. Revere does not even mention the true count until the Point Count chapter.
 

sagefr0g

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#9
Whatsmytotal said:
According to Revere, in the Plus Minus system you make all decisions based on the 'up to date count', i.e. the running count. Revere does not even mention the true count until the Point Count chapter.
well i don't know if Revere's Plus Minus system is equivalent to Hi/Lo .
Hi/Lo could be used against single deck with out a true count calculation but not against multiple decks.

best regards,
mr fr0g :D
 
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