Betting ramp vs count

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rdorange

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I'm still learning to count. I play $25 min table, DD pitch. I am not confident enough yet to increase my bets by whole units unless there is a huge pos count near the end of the deck. That is not often! And then I only increase up to $50 (one unit).
This is how I bet, I think it helps with loss limits and still allows me to win.
Start each new deck (session) with a flat $25 bet (one green unit). Neg count and plus one, I stay at min $25 bet. When the count increases, I increase (or ramp) my bets in $5 (red units) increments.
1st bet and low counts, $25.
Count +2, $30.
Count +3, $35.
Count +4, $40.
Count +5, $45.
Count +6 or higher $50.
Any constructive criticism? Am I correct to think that this will help limit losses and still allow for small wins? The main thing is that regardless of the color, I am still getting accustomed to increasing units.
I have a friend who plays with me on most trips. He does not count but knows BS and the adjustments to play. He knows I count and what my betting strategy is. He watches my bets and automatically knows what the count is. Anybody else do stuff like this?
 
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avs21

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rdorange said:
I'm still learning to count. I play $25 min table, DD pitch. I am not confident enough yet to increase my bets by whole units unless there is a huge pos count near the end of the deck. That is not often! And then I only increase up to $50 (one unit).
This is how I bet, I think it helps with loss limits and still allows me to win.
Start each new deck (session) with a flat $25 bet (one green unit). Neg count and plus one, I stay at min $25 bet. When the count increases, I increase (or ramp) my bets in $5 (red units) increments.
1st bet and low counts, $25.
Count +2, $30.
Count +3, $35.
Count +4, $40.
Count +5, $45.
Count +6 or higher $50.
Any constructive criticism? Am I correct to think that this will help limit losses and still allow for small wins? The main thing is that regardless of the color, I am still getting accustomed to increasing units.
I have a friend who plays with me on most trips. He does not count but knows BS and the adjustments to play. He knows I count and what my betting strategy is. He watches my bets and automatically knows what the count is. Anybody else do stuff like this?
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Are you saying that he follows your bets? If he is betting the same as you on each hand that is a bad idea. It will draw more attention faster with two people at the table betting exactly the same way at the same time. You guys are betting probably to small of a spread for the casino to care. They might not bother you now , but if they noticed you guys doing it when you have a small spread . It might comeback to bite you later on when you increase your bet spread.

Assuming the rules are 55% pen DA2 S17 DS and using Hi Opt I, using the side count and the Ill18 you will have a slight adv with .11 and $ 2.25 per hour. Since it sounds like you get a lot of comps you be will coming out ahead even if you make a couple counting mistakes.
 
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PokerJunky

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I've played w/ my team memeber on the same table and we both increased our bets at the same time, BUT we don't usually play very long together on the same table. 99% if the time were on different tables. If you play for long periods of time and ramped you bets up more aggressively you'll start to draw attention.
 
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rdorange

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He can afford more than me, larger bankroll.

avs21 said:
Are you saying that he follows your bets? If he is betting the same as you on each hand that is a bad idea.
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No he is not betting the same as me. He bets at his own level, but watches the count according to my bet. He then makes his own increases. He normally plays at a higher level than I do.
 
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Sonny

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rdorange said:
Am I correct to think that this will help limit losses and still allow for small wins?
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Well, sort of. You are minimizing your short-term variance by using such a small spread. However, you are increasing your long-tern risk because your EV is so small in relation to your SD. Basically, you are risking a lot of money for very little return.

If you played a $10-$50 spread you would have the same max bet, higher EV, lower SD (short-term risk) and lower long-term risk (ROR). That would be a much safer, and more profitable, style of play.

rdorange said:
I'm still learning to count. I play $25 min table, DD pitch. I am not confident enough yet to increase my bets by whole units unless there is a huge pos count near the end of the deck. That is not often! And then I only increase up to $50 (one unit).
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I would suggest that you play for much lower stakes until you are more confident. I think you’ll find that spreading from 1:10 or more feels much different than spreading from 1:2 units. Playing a 1:2 spread really isn’t giving you the betting experience that you need and it is much more risky in the long run. It is very important to get practice counting, playing (Illustrious 18 and Fab 4), and betting (at least 1:6) until you are completely confident in your skills. Save your money for when you are ready to use it.

-Sonny-
 
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rdorange

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Good game

avs21 said:
Assuming the rules are 55% pen DA2 S17 DS and using Hi Opt I, using the side count and the Ill18 you will have a slight adv with .11 and $ 2.25 per hour. Since it sounds like you get a lot of comps you be will coming out ahead even if you make a couple counting mistakes.
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I am using Hi-Opt I, rules are as stated.

I started keeping records in Jan, 2006. That is when the Biloxi casinos started to re-open. I have made 12 trips to the casinos in Vegas and Biloxi since Jan. The Vegas trips are for a week and the Biloxi trips are for three days at a time.
All the rooms and food are free in Biloxi along with free cash coupons. Only Biloxi expenses are gas and the cost of gambling.
The expense for the Vegas trips are getting better. Rooms were greatly discounted (about $230 for the week). Meals at the casinos were free but when we ate out at restaurants we had to pay. Had to pay for air fair. Since my last Vegas trip, I have received complimentary rooms at Harrah's. Next trip may not be to expensive.
 
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rdorange

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big shoes, csm, eroded games, etc....

Sonny, I am sacrificing min bet for quality game. I only play the $25 min so I can play the so called "good game". I hate 6:5 and big shoe games with shuffle machines. I hope that not playing these games sends a message to the casinos. Is this enough to justify my choices? I must ask, but doubt seriously that the answer will change my choice of games. It may affect my level of play (bets) though. I must consider that I am not losing, and I am not winning hand over hand, but at this level of play (and risk) I am ahead. At a lower level of play do you think I might risk my comps. They are a huge part of my being able to continue. I REALLY don't want to sacrifice my level of comps.

If I could find DD games for lower min than $25 I would definitely play them. I would mix my playing time and probably still keep my comp level. But where can you find these good games with lower min? Especially in Biloxi!
 
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