Hole Card Exposed to All

[adt_33]

I just returned from the casino. (I won $80 in 15 minutes. Yippee.)

During the deal, the dealer accidentally flipped over her hole card. The pit boss said to play it out. I was at last base, and I paused. I had 13, and so did the dealer. I only play BS. I was stumped!

"Uhhhh, so we really are playing this out?"

"Yes."

(sigh)

At that moment I felt like I had the upper hand, but I had no idea where to go with it. I finally decided that (the dealer's) 13 would turn very stiff, so I guess I should hit, which I did and I won.

Would this throw anyone else off?

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by adt_33

I just returned from the casino. (I won $80 in 15 minutes. Yippee.)

During the deal, the dealer accidentally flipped over her hole card. The pit boss said to play it out. I was at last base, and I paused. I had 13, and so did the dealer. I only play BS. I was stumped!

"Uhhhh, so we really are playing this out?"

"Yes."

(sigh)

At that moment I felt like I had the upper hand, but I had no idea where to go with it. I finally decided that (the dealer's) 13 would turn very stiff, so I guess I should hit, which I did and I won.

Would this throw anyone else off?

I believe you have the option of pulling your bet back at that point. Everytime that has happened when I had a bad hand I requested to take my bet back.

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by adt_33

I just returned from the casino. (I won $80 in 15 minutes. Yippee.)

During the deal, the dealer accidentally flipped over her hole card. The pit boss said to play it out. I was at last base, and I paused. I had 13, and so did the dealer. I only play BS. I was stumped!

"Uhhhh, so we really are playing this out?"

"Yes."

(sigh)

At that moment I felt like I had the upper hand, but I had no idea where to go with it. I finally decided that (the dealer's) 13 would turn very stiff, so I guess I should hit, which I did and I won.

Would this throw anyone else off?

hmm i don't really know what the correct play would be in that case. i believe i would have stood knowing that the dealer had a 13. curious here, did the dealer bust?

best regards,
mr fr0g :D

[ihate17]

Not very different in this case. Against a dealer 13, you would stay with your 13.

Often in cases like this, the pit might give everyone a choice of pulling their bet back or playing.
Or, make everyone play it out and pay the winners and push the losers.

ihate17

[Canceler]

I think in the case of a misdeal you get the chance to pull your bet back. This wasn't a misdeal.

Thank you for posting, adt_33. This situation might have thrown me off, but your post has caused me to figure out one way to handle it. This is a shortcut, and you have to use a little common sense.

You just mentally pick whichever card you want to be the upcard. If the dealer's 13 was a T and a 3, I'd pick the 3. I wouldn't hit my 13 against a 3 up. If the dealer's 13 was an 8 and a 5, I wouldn't hit my 13 against a 5 up.

This method breaks down if you see the dealer has a 5 and a 6, for example. That's where the common sense comes in.

[ortango]

hmm.. this does seem worth more investigation, not really for practical purposes but just to sate curiosity.

In one case, the dealer had 10, I had a 14 and signaled to hit. He ignored me and flipped his hole for a 20. I got pissed, (rightly so!) and the PB let me play out my hand. I got a 4 for 18, and instinctively I said stay, then realized what I did and said hit, hit! The PB sighed but let me hit it, but I busted so I lost anyway. My case was obvious but yours would really not be in the casino environment.

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by ortango

hmm.. this does seem worth more investigation, not really for practical purposes but just to sate curiosity.

In one case, the dealer had 10, I had a 14 and signaled to hit. He ignored me and flipped his hole for a 20. I got pissed, (rightly so!) and the PB let me play out my hand. I got a 4 for 18, and instinctively I said stay, then realized what I did and said hit, hit! The PB sighed but let me hit it, but I busted so I lost anyway. My case was obvious but yours would really not be in the casino environment.

"i got pissed, (rightly so.....
....instinctively I said stay, then realized what I did and said hit, hit!"

i love this story! omg

best regards,
mr fr0g

[adt_33]

Originally Posted by Canceler

You just mentally pick whichever card you want to be the upcard. If the dealer's 13 was a T and a 3, I'd pick the 3. I wouldn't hit my 13 against a 3 up.

Ummm...I guess in retrospect I didn't make the right play. I mentioned that I thought her hand would bust (which it did) but I hit anyway. I should have stood. Like Canceler said, if the hole card exposes a stiff hand, you should stand.

However, if the hole cards exposed an initial strong hand (I'd say 7-11), then I would have quickly surrendered. This may also be a bad move, but still not as bad as the one I made.

I'd be dwelling on this one for a while if I actually lost it!

[miplet]

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/appendix16.html
which hands you should surrender are not given, so you would have to use your best judgement.

[adt_33]

Excellent table! Thanks.

To anyone: About how often does this mistake occur?