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Old September 19th, 2006, 07:59 AM
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playing Blackjack with 7 hands ( team or not team )
with NEVER BUST STRATEGY?

will it work..?
i've tried with 7 decks and until now it works...
but can't find any simulator that can enforce my theory ~
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Old September 19th, 2006, 08:19 AM
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Or you could save yourself the time of driving to the casino and just throw your money out the window.
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Old September 19th, 2006, 08:24 AM
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then i think u don't agree with my strategy then~ i'm looking for people who can find a simulator that will do..
i've tried with CV (casino verite...) but i don't understand how it works
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Old September 19th, 2006, 08:32 AM
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The "Never bust" strategy turns a house edge of half of one percent (using basic strategy) into one of almost 4 percent. Why do you think playing 7 hands would make that any different?
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Old September 19th, 2006, 08:34 AM
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then i think u don't agree with my strategy then
Brilliant guess!

Do you really think nobody has thought of this before? Save yourself a bit more time and effort thinking about other equally worthless strategies:


(Courtesy of the Wizard of Odds http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack)

Bad Strategies

Three popular bad strategies encountered at the blackjack table are never bust, mimic the dealer, and always assume the dealer has a ten in the hole. All three of these are very bad strategies. Following are my specific comments on each of them, including the house edge under Atlantic City rules (dealer stands on soft 17, split up to 4 hands, double after split, double any two cards) of 0.43%.

Never bust: For my analysis of this strategy I assumed the player would never hit a hard 12 or more and based all other decisions on maximizing expected value under this assumption. This results in a house edge of 3.91%.

Mimic the dealer: For my analysis of this strategy I assumed the player would always hit 16 or less and stand on 17 or more. The player as well as dealer stood on soft 17. The player never doubled or split, since the dealer is not allowed to do so. This results in a house edge of 5.48%.

Assume ten in the hole: For this strategy I first figured out the optimal basic strategy under this assumption. If the dealer had an ace up I reverted to the proper basic strategy assumption of assuming the dealer did not have a ten. Then I went back and used this strategy under regular playing conditions. This results in a house edge of 10.03%.
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Old September 19th, 2006, 08:40 AM
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becuz... if we play NEVER BUST strategy.... that means we'll never bust right?

and if the dealer bust... we'll be 7times our initial bet....

we're using the same deck so that means we have the same pourcentage of winning..

if dealer stops at 17 .. it doesn't mean that he'll win all my 7 hands.... either 18,19,20, or even 21....

but once he bust... we'll win 7 hands...

so as i've tried.. it was..

1 st game + 7 ( dealer bust )
2 nd game + 4 ( win 2 lose 5 )
3 rd game + 5 ( win 4 lose 3 )
4 th game + 10.5 ( win 6 with Blackjack and lose one )
and so on....

i know that u don't agree with me.. but .. just wanna make sure..
cuz i've tried with 7 decks... and always the same way of playing....
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Old September 19th, 2006, 08:45 AM
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becuz... if we play NEVER BUST strategy.... that means we'll never bust right?

and if the dealer bust... we'll be 7times our initial bet....

we're using the same deck so that means we have the same pourcentage of winning..

if dealer stops at 17 .. it doesn't mean that he'll win all my 7 hands.... either 18,19,20, or even 21....

but once he bust... we'll win 7 hands...

so as i've tried.. it was..

1 st game + 7 ( dealer bust )
2 nd game + 4 ( win 2 lose 5 )
3 rd game + 5 ( win 4 lose 3 )
4 th game + 10.5 ( win 6 with Blackjack and lose one )
and so on....

i know that u don't agree with me.. but .. just wanna make sure..
cuz i've tried with 7 decks... and always the same way of playing....
If you play ONE hand of $10 and win $70 dollars, that's 7 times your money. If you play 7 hands of $10 dollars and win $70, that's EVEN money
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Old September 19th, 2006, 08:54 AM
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becuz... if we play NEVER BUST strategy.... that means we'll never bust right?
Right, but you'll also never hit anything higher than 11 so you'll rarely have a decent hand. The only way you will win is if you are dealt a good hand in your first two cards or the dealer busts. In all other cases the dealer will beat you. That is why the house edge is as high as 4% for this strategy.

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we're using the same deck so that means we have the same pourcentage of winning..
Nope. The dealer is hitting until he has a good hand while you are not. That means the dealer will win many more hands than you.

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if dealer stops at 17 .. it doesn't mean that he'll win all my 7 hands.... either 18,19,20, or even 21....but once he bust... we'll win 7 hands...
Unfortunately, the dealer does not bust often enough to make this a winning strategy. You will lose all 7 hands most of the time. The research has already been done and the sims have been run decades ago. This system does not work.

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Old September 19th, 2006, 08:59 AM
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If you play ONE hand of $10 and win $70 dollars, that's 7 times your money. If you play 7 hands of $10 dollars and win $70, that's EVEN money
i don't really understand what you trying to say... ? ^^

what do u mean by .. If i pay one hand of 10$ and win 70$ ( how can i win 70$ when i'm only playing 10$ )

what i'm trying to say is .. always play with the same amount of money without raise or decrease... ... always take when it's below 12... no matter what dealer has .... once i get over 11 ... then i stop.. ( never bust strategy )

so that means .. IF DEALER bust... ( without any exception ) bank has to PAY every hand ... but if dealer doesn't bust ... maybe he can get 17, 18, 19, 20 or even 21...... it doesn't mean all my 7 hands are LOSING... so in a long run.. i will win...? BUT I NEED MORE CALCULATION ( since it's ALL MATH ) need STATs professional
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Old September 19th, 2006, 09:02 AM
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Remember the average dealer hand ends up being 18.5. So in order to win at blackjack in the long run you must have your average hand at 19 or better. Standing on all those stiffs against a dealer 10 won't win you very much over the long run.
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