Hi Lo Confirmation

[AussieBlackjack]

With the Hi Lo count is it 2-6 = 1 7-9 = 0 10 and ace = -1 ??? I am just wondering because another is to count the red 7s as one or something. Just wondering if you can still use this hi lo count but still count all 7s regardless of colour as 0?? and if i can do you then have to use a true count?

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by AussieBlackjack

With the Hi Lo count is it 2-6 = 1 7-9 = 0 10 and ace = -1 ??? I am just wondering because another is to count the red 7s as one or something. Just wondering if you can still use this hi lo count but still count all 7s regardless of colour as 0?? and if i can do you then have to use a true count?

yes you have the correct weighted values for the Hi/Lo count.
counting the red7's is for a different count. you should not confuse the two.
when learning about counting you need to be careful that you make the distinction during your research as to what particular counting system the author is talking about. the various counting systems can usually be correlated but the methodologies are not allways interchangeable.
you do need to use a true count in Hi/Lo but not the red7 count.
Hi/Lo is a balanced count. red7 is an unbalanced count. balanced counts tend to require true count computation unbalanced counts do not.

best regards,
mr fr0g :D

[AussieBlackjack]

Thanks for that Mr Frog but that now brings me to my second question and thats is how do you figure out the true count? I mean i know it depends on how many decks are left in the shoe but how can you really be sure how many decks are left so is is just a rough guess rounded up or down or is there a way to figure out exactly.So if you have a running count of +8 and there are 6 decks remaining does that mean the true count is 1 (rounded down)??

[AussieBlackjack]

It would it therefore be easier to use the red7 count as there is then no need to find a true count?

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by AussieBlackjack

Thanks for that Mr Frog but that now brings me to my second question and thats is how do you figure out the true count? I mean i know it depends on how many decks are left in the shoe but how can you really be sure how many decks are left so is is just a rough guess rounded up or down or is there a way to figure out exactly.So if you have a running count of +8 and there are 6 decks remaining does that mean the true count is 1 (rounded down)??

right for an RC of +8 and 6 decks remainging the TC = 1.
you need to be able esitmate how many decks by observing the cards as they are placed in the discard tray. this is an interesting topic for me. for myself it's a really weird skill that i'm able to do. i once had excellent eye sight. i mean stellar. unfortunately with age i have relatively poor eye sight. 20/40 with out glasses. i'm far sighted. i've always had some sort of trait or ability with regards to things like pictures hanging on walls (i'm the guy who everyone relies on getting to hang straight or evenly), ever seen the detecitve Monk on tv? he's always compulsively trying to straighten things out. i'm kind of like that in that if something is out of wack it stands out to me . it's like that for me with stacks of cards. poor eye sight and all i can tell pretty darn accurately when a stack of cards is one deck, two decks, three decks or four. but i had to practice and continue to practice to be able to do this. i have several stacks of cards laid out in my home (places that i'm often around). those stacks are composed of one deck, two decks, three decks and four decks. so i see them on a daily basis and i'll from time to time just purpously look at them and recite to my self what i'm looking at and by what divisor i need to divide an imaginary running count by if i see said deck.
i don't find deck estimation difficult at all. your mileage may vary.

best regards,
mr fr0g :D

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by AussieBlackjack

Thanks for that Mr Frog but that now brings me to my second question and thats is how do you figure out the true count? I mean i know it depends on how many decks are left in the shoe but how can you really be sure how many decks are left so is is just a rough guess rounded up or down or is there a way to figure out exactly.So if you have a running count of +8 and there are 6 decks remaining does that mean the true count is 1 (rounded down)??

opps i overlooked the part of your question about rounding down.
actually no i don't believe you are in a mathematically classical sense rounding down your true count when you employ deck estimation according to the scenerio described above.
what you are doing is flooring your deck estimation to a full deck. so for example if we are playing a six deck game and we see from zero to fifty one cards in the discard tray we floor the number of decks considered to be in the discard tray to be zero decks hence our divisor for deteriminig the true count is 6. now if we observe from fifty two to one hundred and three cards in the discard tray we floor the number of decks considered to be in the discard tray to be one deck. so now our divisor for determining the true count is 5 . ect. ect. ( i'm being a bit radical here to make the point in reality if i observed 51 cards in the discard tray i would probably divide by 5 to get my true count instead of 6. but then that would not technically be full deck estimation with flooring.)
at any rate you can see that there is indeed a great deal of approximations going on here. additionally if you are going to use this method in the casino and you are correlating your optimal bets to a simulation then you should have your simulator set up to perform full deck estimation and the resulting true counts that your simulation yields will find the advantage for a range of TC's. ie. TC<=0 but TC>-1 the advantage may be X%, TC<= 1 but TC>0 the advantage may be Y%, ect. ect.
so that what you have here is a given advantage X% for a true count that ranges from zero to just greater than minus one. in the casino i would call that a true count of zero. and a given advantage Y% for a true count that ranges from just greater than zero to one. in the casino i would call this a true count of one. ect. ect.
so this procedure isn't the same thing as rounding that is classicaly perfomed in mathematics (ie. rounding up or rounding down) .

best regards,
mr fr0g :D

[AussieBlackjack]

so to get your true count you divide how many decks are left buy your running then round up or down your true count to a whole figure?

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by AussieBlackjack

so to get your true count you divide how many decks are left buy your running then round up or down your true count to a whole figure?

actually to get your true count you divide the running count by the number of decks (estimated) remaining to be dealt. TC = RC/#decks remaining.
you floor your deck estimation which is similar to the concept of rounding down but not exactly the same. another way to say it is you truncate your estimation of how many decks remain to be dealt. if you estimate there are for example:
5.8 decks left to deal you drop the decimal so that your divisor is 5.
5.7 becomes 5 and your divisor is 5
5.6 becomes 5 and your divisor is 5
5.5 becomes 5 and your divisor is 5
5.4 becomes 5 and your divisor is 5
ect. ect.
so it's a bit different than rounding down. the procedure is called flooring. too my way of understanding this is an ultra conservative approach to estimation.
best regards,
mr fr0g :D

[QFIT]

Flooring does not mean that you floor your deck estimation. Deck estimation should always be rounded. Although you can round to full, half or quarter decks. Flooring, Rounding and Truncating are the three methods of dealing with fractions after division. Flooring and Truncating are the same for positive numbers. For negative numbers, Truncating is rounding up and Flooring is round down. None of the methods are more liberal or conservative as far as risk. Flooring and Rounding are almost equal in efficiency. Truncating is a bit inferior.

[AussieBlackjack]

First of all thankyou guys for being patient with me and trying to explain everything.It is really appreciated.

Ok i think i finally get it so i am going to use an example if i may to see if understand.

If i have a RC of 8 and there is roughly 5.2 to 5.8 (somewhere between 5 and 6) decks left then my TC will be my RC divided by how many decks are roughly left.In this case it is 5 but if i estimate it to have say 4.6 left then i will divide it by 4.Is this right??? So my final equation to get my TC from my RC for the above example is 8 divided by 5 (well however many decks are left remaining) and that will give me my true count?