card counting team

[nightfoxx]

hello all, i have been reading, researching and practising card counting techniques for some months now and i would like to seek out card counters from my area for purpose of practice, trading technique knowledge and possibly forming a team. i live in adelaide, however even if your not from my area this thread could serve the purpose of helping other cc's such as me find ppl in their respective areas!

Thank you!

[imjustnew]

I wouldn't mind catching up with some fellow bjers i saw BJTEAM_PLAYER is up for it I live in Vic PM me if you want to sort something out.

[DoctorDubb]

hey im from perth...and wouldnt mind having a chat... nightfoxx ive pm'ed you... also "imjustnew" if u want to chat about an aussie team then pm me ... im only starting but i am really interested :D

[aussiecounter]

I think I could organise/train a pretty good team of my own.

My girlfriend is finishing an engineering degree, so she's very intelligent, and I pretty well taught her Basic Strategy in an hour or so at Starcity while playing blackjack, so I think she'd go alright.
Her sister is doing her HSC at the moment, and she is doing what I'd call 4unit Mathematics(not sure if they call it that anymore), which for those who don't know is about as high a level of Maths that you can do at school.
Also, there are several likely candidates in my girlfriend's course, including several different races and backgrounds. I've already got all the classic roles assigned to different people (spotter, back-spotter, gorilla and big player).

I think I might have to just train up my girlfriend in Basic Strategy for now, so I can back count or count at table and get her to just Wong in at the right time.

[nightfoxx]

hello again,
i have looked at many team scenarios and how well they could work, i also know many smart people near where i live but am finding it hard to convince them that bj and cc is worth the time effort and the money... any ideas on convincing?

your wonging in team method would be good for practice and a bit of fun to consolidate your skills but remember that with say a 2 person team, as you described in your post, to be fair you'd split the profits 50/50 so in order to be making enough money to be worth your while... ie. more than you could earn working in a supermarket or maccas you would have to be playing pretty high stakes and that would require quite a large bankroll.

the big high stakes teams like those in "bringing down the house" and "million dollar blackjack" usually had outside investors, i've also looked at this possibility but have absolutely no idea how you would contact such investors... i mentioned the notion to my father who is in business and, even with the high returns availabe, he said he would never in a million years invest in such a thing. however he is a very anti gambling person... even though we know that cc is investing not gambling

well ok now i must really get onto my assignment

taa taa

nightfoxx

[matteotm]

Originally Posted by aussiecounter

I think I could organise/train a pretty good team of my own.

I think I might have to just train up my girlfriend in Basic Strategy for now, so I can back count or count at table and get her to just Wong in at the right time.

have you ever watched that movie based on the true story about the MIT Blackjack team?
Ones of the best movies, i think you would get alot out of it.

"Breaking Vegas"

Based on Ben Mizrich's bestselling book BRINGING DOWN THE HOUSE, BREAKING VEGAS tells the true story of six nerdy college students from MIT--including Mizrich himself--who used their genius math skills to win millions of dollars at Las Vegas casinos. The History Channel's thrilling documentary recounts Mizrich's amazing story through archival footage, dramatic reenactments, and interviews with the former students, casino executives, security experts, gamblers, and Vegas historians

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BREAKING-VEGA...QQcmdZViewItem

[aussiecounter]

I dont think I've seen it.

That blurb is funny, his name is spelt Mezrich, not Mizrich. And I didn't think he was actually involved in the card counting directly.

A card counting movie that I have seen which follows almost exactly the same story, so much so that I hope Mezrich got royalties, or he should sue, is a Canadian movie called The Last Casino.
As I said, it follows the same basic story: college kids get recruited by a crusty old counter(a professor at college), and they start counting. I think it was made for TV, and I saw it on Austar(pay tv) a few weeks ago.
I thought it was pretty good, although I had extra interest because of the topic I suppose, and the lead girl is quite nice to look at
Funniest scene would have to be what the Asian kid does when they're in the private high-stakes game. If you've seen it, you'll know what I mean.

Its definitely worth seeing if its on pay TV again, or going out and renting it if you can find it.

[nightfoxx]

i haven't seen the movie either but i've read the book cover to cover 3 or 4 times (very entertaining read). i can confirm that Mezrich (not mizrich) did not take part in the action, only heard about it years after they had broken the team up, from one of the team members who wanted the story to be told. As part of his research for the book he did go to a casino and act as a gorilla player for one of the team members, so perhaps this is where the confusion has come from.

The alleged leader of the team, the college professor whos real name is apparently "Micky Rosa." i did some research on this name and found a blurb about him at some blackjack tournament site that said he was "currently pursuing investements in Australia," which combined with a radio transcript (australian) where Ben Mezrich was being interviewed about his book, mezrich said that there is apparently a very famous team opperating out of Australia, this seemed rather interesting to me to imagine that the outstanding Mezrich story could be happening now and so close to home.- if ur interested you should do a google search... i found both info sources on the net.

i think i might purchase this movie all the same, if i do, i'll watch it and then post back here with my thoughts.

nightfoxx

[Butters]

i'm from perth and me and my friends practiced card counting for about 4 months before we actually put it in to practice at burswood casino. we worked in a 5 person team and started our first night out with almost 5 grand between us... after about 5 hours 2 of us had been caught and were 'asked' to leave. we ended up with just over a grand profit between us. unfortunately i'm not allowed to ever go back to burswood

the problem with card counting in australia is that we only have small casino's and only one casino per city, so once you're barred then its all over. and because of the small casino's its not hard for an alert manager to notice the people winning big money and i suspect these days a good pit boss will also know how to card coutn so they could monitor any suspects.

we chose to use text messages as well as other subtle (well we thought they wer subtle) techniques to tip each other off as to loaded tables. which is why only 2 of us got kicked out.. unfortunately the 2 ppl who got kicked out were the 2 people with money... i been thinking about taking the team to melbourne but i rekon their security would be even better than over here...

mind you i am going to america in a months time.... and i can't resist vegas... but i'll be on my own so it'll just be interesting to see how long it takes me to get kicked out of a cas there....

if you do try it i wish you luck...
but if you enjoy gambling dont expect to be let back in for a long time...

[scuba]

yeah always been curious about this...
done it myself at crown cassi in melb just by myself.. kinda just look at deck about 1/3rd of deck left if alot of face cards are goin down i jump on it at bet high ...
what i wanna know is does the cutting of the deck effect the card counting emensely? the cutting as in how they put in the "cut-off" card about a deck in .. is it called the penetration?? i dunno .. ?? cheers im in melb too
so yeah lets get talkin