Casino cheating ?

[xfiles]

So I'm convinced I got cheated at Foxwoods the other day . I was playing basic strategy flawless at 1 table for 10 hours flat betting $15 with a $400 bankroll. I was up and down between - $150 and + $250 . At 2:30 am the pit boss came over and closed the table . He said if any of us wanted to play we could continue at a specific table in front of were we were playing . I go to that table up $175 and the dealer beat me for $500 dollars in 1 shoe . What are the odd's of that ? 35 x the table minimum in 1 shoe ?

If the casino didn't care what cards we were playing with then why change tables ? They could easily bring the new dealer to the table we were all comfortable with . The 2 tables are so close to each other . After I left the table I watched person after person get wiped out there .

[shadroch]

How long have you been playing? Sounds like you are not very seasoned in real casino play.

[shadroch]

Playing BS,even flawlessly,after ten hours of betting $15,you should have been down about $125-150.So,when you sat at that last table,you were about $300 ahead of where you should have been. Were you cheating? Of course not. Its just BJ is a game with wilkd swings and you experianced both a positive swing and left on a negative swing.Your risk of being wiped out betting $15 with a $400 bankroll was extremely high. You should be happy you managed to last ten hours.

[jomoats]

Originally Posted by xfiles

So I'm convinced I got cheated at Foxwoods the other day . I was playing basic strategy flawless at 1 table for 10 hours flat betting $15 with a $400 bankroll. I was up and down between - $150 and + $250 . At 2:30 am the pit boss came over and closed the table . He said if any of us wanted to play we could continue at a specific table in front of were we were playing . I go to that table up $175 and the dealer beat me for $500 dollars in 1 shoe . What are the odd's of that ? 35 x the table minimum in 1 shoe ?

If the casino didn't care what cards we were playing with then why change tables ? They could easily bring the new dealer to the table we were all comfortable with . The 2 tables are so close to each other . After I left the table I watched person after person get wiped out there .

You were up $25 per hour for ten hours which is a good win for flat betting $15 per hand. You need to work on having a realistic expectation for a $400 bankroll. We've all done it, just try not to make that mistake again. Realisticly you should have be down 5 units of $15 or $75 in total for 10 hours of play.

[halcyon1234]

Originally Posted by xfiles

If the casino didn't care what cards we were playing with then why change tables ? They could easily bring the new dealer to the table we were all comfortable with . The 2 tables are so close to each other . After I left the table I watched person after person get wiped out there .

I'll leave the math for the others, but as far as the above goes, they were probably consolidating tables. If they have two tables open, they have to pay two dealers. If they mash two tables together, they only pay one dealer. Along the same lines, they might have needed the dealer on another table. Put two blackjacks into one, put the other dealer into the Poker area which might have been busier. More likely, it was a scheduled closure. Most casinos will plan to only have X tables open during certain times, especially off times. It MIGHT get busy, but 99% of the time they only need X tables open. The duty roster probably said "close table X".

I doubt the casino would cheat you for $500. Think about how much they stand to lose if they were caught. Casino-as-cheaters are just like casin-players-as-cheaters. The more you cheat, the more your likelyhood of getting caught approaches 1. If a casino cheats, they stand to lose millions of dollars to fines, lost revenue, reputation damage, lawsuites, etc. Think about the EV of such a move. EV = $500 * likeyhood of gettingaway with it - $5,000,000 * likelyhood of getting caught. With numbers like that, even if they get caught .001% of the time, it's a breakeven deal. Go ahead and run a crooked homegame, with free alcohol. See if you can deal 100,000 crooked hands without getting caught once.

If you want your revenge, learn to count, and start playing with an advantage. =)

Or pee on a CSM.

[EasyRhino]

I also recommend peeing on a CSM.

Were you playing heads-up?

The most ridiculous streak I noticed was playing heads up, and in two shoes, I won $300, flat betting $10. This is in the neighborhood of what you experienced.

If you were playing at a full table, it would be less likely to go on such a big losing streak, just because you would have played fewer hands.

[jimpenn]

Do you think the casino replaced a few high cards with low cards? Possible but highy unlikely because someone would have had to switch the cards. Has anyone in the forum ever heard of this happening in their entire blackjack careers?

[supercoolmancool]

They could have used a "mechanic", a cheating dealer that can see the next card and if it is low, they give it to you and if it is high, they give you the next one instead.

[xfiles]

Originally Posted by jimpenn

Do you think the casino replaced a few high cards with low cards? Possible but highy unlikely because someone would have had to switch the cards. Has anyone in the forum ever heard of this happening in their entire blackjack careers?

That's what I was thinking . Either that or shuffling a good dealer deck so it stays the same . The dealer/shuffler seemed very fast and experienced . If David Blane can make ace cards come out of someone's ass then the possibilities are endless .

I know I should have lost that money in 10 hours of play but I lost it in 20 minutes . I thought the odds of that were very low !

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by xfiles

That's what I was thinking . Either that or shuffling a good dealer deck so it stays the same . The dealer/shuffler seemed very fast and experienced . If David Blane can make ace cards come out of someone's ass then the possibilities are endless .

I know I should have lost that money in 10 hours of play but I lost it in 20 minutes . I thought the odds of that were very low !

Even if you know that the game is fair, you will still have unbelievable losing sessions every once in a while. It sucks, but it just happens... even to professionals.