AP Questions

[Rspeirsmlb]

I know that straight counting, if done correctly yields you about 1-2% edge.....but, what are all the other AP methods used? I've noticed alotta people saying straight counting is lame cause of the only 1% edge, but what other AP techniques are you guys using that is better? I know there is shuffle tracking, ace location...but anything else? Also, what are some sites or books that will teach these methods and how big of an advantage can one have using all these combined? Oh yeah, just read Bringing Down the House.....excellent book.

[Sonny]

Here's a brief(!) list of some published strategies and their sources:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=21994

Be sure to scroll down to the second post as well.

-Sonny-

[shadroch]

xtensive use of matchplays,promos and comp counting can give you a much better edge than card counting.
Please keep in mind that most people who complain that a 1% edge is lame don't have the proper bankroll to make counting worthwhile.
A $10 bettor will cycle about $3000 in five hours,1% is $30.
A $100 bettor will cycle $30,000 in five hours,1% is $300. In additrion,if done right,you'll get several hundred dollars in comps as well. I don't know about others but $60 an hour with a free dinner for two in a nice steakhouse isn't very lame.

[supercoolmancool]

Originally Posted by Rspeirsmlb

I know that straight counting, if done correctly yields you about 1-2% edge.....but, what are all the other AP methods used? I've noticed alotta people saying straight counting is lame cause of the only 1% edge, but what other AP techniques are you guys using that is better? I know there is shuffle tracking, ace location...but anything else? Also, what are some sites or books that will teach these methods and how big of an advantage can one have using all these combined? Oh yeah, just read Bringing Down the House.....excellent book.

Are you just asking about blackjack? How serious are you about getting an edge? If you are just asking about how to beat blackjack well then card counting, shuffle tracking, hole carding, pretty much sums up everything you can do. But if what you are really asking is how do I make some money without working at a job, then you must expand your mind, open your eyes, think outside of the box and most importantly leave blackjack in the dust. Personally, i'd have to recommend confidence tricks for the most serious practitioners. You know, be a con man. You would not believe the kinds of advantages you can get. This is like beyond Bojack territory here. Really though the possibilities are endless. The only limitation is your imagination. But don't do anything illegal unless the risk is worth the reward. Because usually it isn't. But sometimes it is ie internet gambling up until now.

[Rspeirsmlb]

Are you just asking about blackjack? How serious are you about getting an edge? If you are just asking about how to beat blackjack well then card counting, shuffle tracking, hole carding, pretty much sums up everything you can do. But if what you are really asking is how do I make some money without working at a job, then you must expand your mind, open your eyes, think outside of the box and most importantly leave blackjack in the dust. Personally, i'd have to recommend confidence tricks for the most serious practitioners. You know, be a con man. You would not believe the kinds of advantages you can get. This is like beyond Bojack territory here. Really though the possibilities are endless. The only limitation is your imagination. But don't do anything illegal unless the risk is worth the reward. Because usually it isn't. But sometimes it is ie internet gambling up until now.

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Yeah I was focusing on blackjack....But I have a large enough bankroll (roughly $20,000-$80,000 depending on how serious I wanna be and how low of risks and how big of an advantage I can get) to make decent money, but am taking time (atleast 6 months and couple hours practice each day) to get counting and other techniques down to the point where I have a significant advantage. I can only work with a few Indian Casinos here in MI and am trying to get the most out of them till I'm 21. Also, could someone describe to me how comps work and what it takes to get stuff? I don't have a clue how it works...I know its like a player's card n it depends on what yer playing n yer bets made. Thanks

[Bojack1]

Originally Posted by supercoolmancool

Are you just asking about blackjack? How serious are you about getting an edge? If you are just asking about how to beat blackjack well then card counting, shuffle tracking, hole carding, pretty much sums up everything you can do. But if what you are really asking is how do I make some money without working at a job, then you must expand your mind, open your eyes, think outside of the box and most importantly leave blackjack in the dust. Personally, i'd have to recommend confidence tricks for the most serious practitioners. You know, be a con man. You would not believe the kinds of advantages you can get. This is like beyond Bojack territory here. Really though the possibilities are endless. The only limitation is your imagination. But don't do anything illegal unless the risk is worth the reward. Because usually it isn't. But sometimes it is ie internet gambling up until now.

Hey Cipher Jr. how about keeping advice on illegal practices to yourself. Con games is not a great way to get an advantage. No matter how you try to rationalize it conning someone is illegal as well as fixing kids carny games and whatever other bullcrap you're up to. Eventually its all negative EV, either when you go to jail, pay for lawyers, or just get your legs broke by somebody that doesn't buy into the fact that they've been duped. You are young and lazy and apparently not as bright as I originally gave you credit for. You better get a taste of the real world before you start giving advice how to take advantage of it.

Rspeirsmlb, there are many things out there to do if your goal is to get paid. Blackjack is not an easy way to make money if you are lazy and are easily discouraged. You do however seem to be approaching it the right way. Practice well, learn as much as you can, ease into some real casino play, and when you feel comfortable maybe think about using the bigger bankroll. The key to making good and what could become gauranteed money, and yes I said gauranteed money, is getting good enough to be respected by your peers, and networking as you gain experience. Once you do that doors can open up for you that normally don't come around to a recreational player. I won't lie though, after playing blackjack for a while you probably won't want to do it full time, most dont. But If you are good at it it can become a fun hobby and a source of income. I will say this, with the amount of money you have available for your bankroll right off the bat you do have quite an edge over most that are just starting out. By playing smart and betting not only proportional to your advantage but in the beginning also to your experience, you should never have to replenish your bankroll out of pocket. Also with a bigger bankroll when you become of age to play anywhere you will be able to travel to all the best games and not be forced to play only whats right in front of you. The best advice I can give you is, don't take advice from kids that their ambition in life is to skate through it. It won't end well, trust me.

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by Bojack1

Hey Cipher Jr. how about keeping advice on illegal practices to yourself. Con games is not a great way to get an advantage. No matter how you try to rationalize it conning someone is illegal as well as fixing kids carny games and whatever other bullcrap you're up to. Eventually its all negative EV, either when you go to jail, pay for lawyers, or just get your legs broke by somebody that doesn't buy into the fact that they've been duped. You are young and lazy and apparently not as bright as I originally gave you credit for. You better get a taste of the real world before you start giving advice how to take advantage of it.
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heh, heh. being old school i get your drift here Bojack. probably Supercool did also, but one does have to wonder if he is resorting to conning children
there is however some merit in the view that it's a dog eat dog world. problem being is big fish eat little fish. thats what Supercool needs to keep in mind.
the thing is humanbeings well they eat just about anything (sometimes even each other). the point being an intelligent sentient and wise entity for the most part comes out on top of about any game. the wisdom factor is needed to reach the longterm and i believe it can help smooth out the ups and downs of variance and the tendency to over extend ones self in the face of variance. the other thing about wisdom is that it'll help one choose which games to play.
it's a difficult thing to engineer an easy approach that truly tends towards life.

[shadroch]

I came home last nite and after reading scmcs rant,responded in a rather scathing post.However,after giving it some thought I retracted it.Now I'm sorry I did.
For anyone to compare Bojack's methods to a con man is about a stupid a post as I've read here.Stupider than claiming to be able to detect non-existant tells,or detecting patterns in computer programs.
Given the time of day that the post in question was written,perhaps it was just the drunken ravings of someone claiming something that wasn't true.If not,I suggest he reexamine what it is he wants out of life.

[shadroch]

As far as comps go;
You sign up for a card,then present it to the dealer when you sit down and buy-in.
The pitboss will write up a slip of paper noting the time,your buy-in and the average of your first 3or 4 bets. Periodically he will come by and note your current bet on the slip.
After you finish,he'll enter this information,along with your estimated winnings or losses into the computer.
Thats how you earn comps.
Getting your comps is another story.It differs from casino to casino.In some places,comps earned from table games expire in a day or so,other store them just like slot points.
After you have been playing a few hours,you'll have enough comps to get a free meal.Depending on the size of your bet,it might be a buffet or perhaps a steak dinner(if you are betting $50 or so) You ask the pitboss and after checking the computer and making a fuss,he'll almost always give you a comp. If he says you haven't earned it,ask him straight out how much more you need to play to get it.
After you leave,your play is noted on the computer and depending on the casino,you may recieve offers from the marketing department to get you back.These will range from match play coupons to free rooms to invitations to private tourneys.
Many casinos give something when you first join their players club,be sure to
take advantage of whatever they offer,and many give presents on your birthdays and anniversarys.
The system is ripe for exploitation,but thats a whole other subject. Read Max Rubins "Comp City",the bible of comp counters,such as myself.

[supercoolmancool]

Yah i'd have to agree with you guys. Taking advantage of others is wrong an should never be done. Sorry.