Positive Progression Betting

#1
I think card counting works. I think positive progression betting works. Sometimes neither one works,that thing called LUCK runs up and bites you on the ass. I sometimes have to wonder if the casinos and the blackjack book authors don't have a very personal interest in making players think positive progressions don't work. I mean how many books, articles, dvd's could they sell if a simple and easy on the brain positive progression betting system worked?
Fact is the biggest losses I've ever taken have been while card counting.
Think.
 

EasyRhino

Well-Known Member
#2
The martingale system has been demonstrated to increase the probabilities of a small win, while increasing the probability of a catastrophic loss, as well, while not change the overall house edge.

A positive progression system would presumably have the opposite effect. More small losses (BJ already tends to converge on small losses), and fewer, larger, wins.

Now, in a crazy way, counting may resemble a modest positive progression system. You increase your bets some when you have a small advantage, and you'd increase them larger with a larger advantage. This could resemble parlaying your bets to an outside observer.
 
#3
Martingale

We all know Martingale is for the birds-end of story on that.
I find it a little strange that when you try to talk about positive progressive betting people jump to talking about the Martingale system.

Anyone else out there into positive progressive betting?
 

rogue1

Well-Known Member
#6
I do sometimes wonder

I've had the same experience. I've won and lost using card counting and positive progressive betting. As you implied earliern the positive progressive betting is ALOT easier on your brain,no question about that!
What do you all think of the books by Donald Dahl and Walter Thomason?
Sometimes I've noticed that some card counters don't seem to be willing to at least hear those guys out so to speak.
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
#7
FUHGEDABOUDIT said:
I think positive progression betting works.
It always surprises me when people say that! Progression systems of all types (positive, negative, cancellation, etc.) will not give you an advantage. It has been proven for over 400 years. All it takes is a quick Google search to find that out.

FUHGEDABOUDIT said:
We all know Martingale is for the birds-end of story on that. I find it a little strange that when you try to talk about positive progressive betting people jump to talking about the Martingale system.
If you understand that negative progression systems don’t work, why would you think that a positive system would? They all suffer from the same flaws.

FUHGEDABOUDIT said:
Anyone else out there into positive progressive betting?
We’ve had a few people, but they all went broke. I’m not joking either. :sad: Do a little research and read some of the other posts in this forum. We get a new progression player about once a week and they always seem to make the same mistakes. You can learn a lot from those who have come before you.

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=20869&highlight=progression#post20869

-Sonny-
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
#11
FUHGEDABOUDIT said:
So Sonny and Zenwhatever-
I take it you don't believe ey? I mean am I right or am I right?
Yup, you're right. Why should I believe that they work? I've seen countless articles that prove that they don't, but not a single article that proves that they do. What am I supposed to think? The undeniable proof is everywhere.

I'm curious, what do you think of those articles I gave you links to?

-Sonny-
 

ScottH

Well-Known Member
#12
zengrifter said:
He said "works sometimes" which means he DOESN'T KNOW WHAT "WORKS" MEANS! zg
If by "works" he means "sometimes makes money", than then negative progressions work, positive progressions work, the never bust strategy works, always doubling down on hard 20 works, etc. If some strategy only needs to make money some of the time to work, EVERYTHING works!
 

halcyon1234

Well-Known Member
#16
FUHGEDABOUDIT said:
I sometimes have to wonder if the casinos and the blackjack book authors don't have a very personal interest in making players think positive progressions don't work. I mean how many books, articles, dvd's could they sell if a simple and easy on the brain positive progression betting system worked?
Sure, that makes perfect sense. Obviously there is a large, secret cabal of casinos, card players, authors and researchers. Their only purpose in life is to maintain the Masquerade, which purports that card counting works when it actually doesn't. They've managed to mislead, suppress or buy off every researcher and mathmatician in this area since the 1950s. They spend all their time keeping "the truth" from getting out. Any free time they have is used to birth, raise, educate and finally corrupt shills like Thorpe, who present false information about how counting "works".

They also spend all their time and money suppressing analysis of their shill articles so that they can't be disproved. They pay off or refuse to allow ANY peer reviewer to publish a response to their articles. If anyone slips through their fingers, they use their iron grip on the academic world to keep renegade peer reviewers from speaking out.

They also spend vast amounts of time and money making sure that no one leaks about their cabal.

In modern times, they spend the same resources hacking into everyone's computer, in order to queer the results of any analysis that they might run on the topics of counting and progression. Their hackers can work across any platform, on any computer (even those not connected to any network), and pre-emptivly record any program that might produce an undesired result. They flood the internet with raised-from-birth shills like The Wizard of Odds who produce fake data about how "counting works", all the while taking down any website that might refute them. (I expect blackjackinfo.com to suddenly dissapear after I post this).

And they do all this just to be absolutely sure that no one ever uses a progression system in a casino, because it would be the end of the business as we know it. Casinos would instantly crumble, billions would be lost in seconds. The industry as we know it would end. Pit bosses would be powerless to do anything. Even if they saw what was about to happen, they couldn't bring themselves to backoff the progression player. It simply can't be.

Now that I know the truth, I shall take down Vegas. For I am become Progression Player, destroyer of casinos.
 

QFIT

Well-Known Member
#17
FUHGEDABOUDIT said:
I think card counting works. I think positive progression betting works. Sometimes neither one works,that thing called LUCK runs up and bites you on the ass. I sometimes have to wonder if the casinos and the blackjack book authors don't have a very personal interest in making players think positive progressions don't work. I mean how many books, articles, dvd's could they sell if a simple and easy on the brain positive progression betting system worked?
Fact is the biggest losses I've ever taken have been while card counting.
Think.
There is some unwitting truth here. The fact is that card counting and other AP methods are more difficult than progression systems. I once read a funny post that said:

“It’s not fair that card counting is hard. What about people that can’t count cards. There should be an easy way for us to win.”

What the poster did not explain is where the money would come from if everyone won. Beating casinos must always be difficult. If it weren’t, there wouldn’t be any casinos.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#18
There is an easy way for people that don't count to make big money in casinos. But stock in the casinos.
A $10,000 investment in either Harrahs or MGM in 1987 would be worth almost a MILLION dollars today.I wonder how many card counters that had $10,000 back then have done much better.
 
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