Female Player

[Coz123]

I've read that being a female can be to my advantage because men won't take me as seriously as a competitior. At the risk of starting a gender war can anyone, male and hopefully femle, confirm deny or elaborate? I'm thinking about in tournament play, as that is where I would like to concentrate my play.

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by Coz123

I've read that being a female can be to my advantage because men won't take me as seriously as a competitior. At the risk of starting a gender war can anyone, male and hopefully femle, confirm deny or elaborate? I'm thinking about in tournament play, as that is where I would like to concentrate my play.

There may be a few guys who won't take you seriously just because you are a woman. If you are a hot woman, then you have a REALLY big edge, because you will still get no respect from those guys, plus you will also be distracting most of the other guys!

To properly assess whether or not you will be able to use this to your advantage, I would need to meet you in person!

[EasyRhino]

You'd automatically be less suspect from the pit's perspective if you card-counting, if you're asian or black, you're unstoppable. And Imagine the havoc you could wreak playing poker!

Also, pics plz.

[ihate17]

Years ago, my niece asked me to teach her advantage play and since that time, in my opinion, she has surpassed me.
Going in, you have the advantage of being a woman. That means that the average male pit type will not take you for a serious player. Your play can change his opinion but you have that advantage going in. Today that edge is not as valuable as it was years ago because today we have more female supervisors than years ago.

My niece is tall, atheletic (played college basketball) and beautiful. One smart table game manager in Vegas (also a woman) has let her play for years, knowing she counts. Reason, everytime she sits down at a table guys seem to come out of the woodwork to play with her and having male egos they all seem to want to bet big money. Guess it makes her a de-facto shill, but she skims her take and the table manager has figured out that they make more with her on the table than off. Can not prove this to be true except that this casino has not forbidden her play or spread but has told her that she can bet no more than X dollars per hand, which firms up my belief.

Also, how does it look if a beautiful young woman is backed off?

This though is not tournament play. In tournament play your edge is different because you are not playing against the house but against the other players at your table. In an early round, with mostly male players, some will probably give you little credit and thus an edge, but if you advance, I think that early edge will be gone.

The whole thing is really silly. It is really about the male perception of the ability of females to do math and compete. Antiquated as it is, it exists in their minds, thus giving the woman an edge. The cards themselves have no idea what gender you are.

ihate17

[GeorgeD]

Originally Posted by ihate17

The whole thing is really silly. It is really about the male perception of the ability of females to do math and compete.
ihate17

Thus why they spend so much time trying to convince women that |--------------| is six inches.

[halcyon1234]

Originally Posted by GeorgeD

Thus why they spend so much time trying to convince women that |--------------| is six inches.

|--------------| is six inches on my monitor.

But then again, that's because I have a HUGE monitor.

[sagefr0g]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeD View Post
Thus why they spend so much time trying to convince women that |--------------| is six inches.

Originally Posted by halcyon1234

|--------------| is six inches on my monitor.

But then again, that's because I have a HUGE monitor.

you's guys are way off. this is more like six inches |------|
geesh!

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Coz123

I've read that being a female can be to my advantage because men won't take me as seriously as a competitior. At the risk of starting a gender war can anyone, male and hopefully femle, confirm deny or elaborate? I'm thinking about in tournament play, as that is where I would like to concentrate my play.

I don't think being a woman in tournament play would be of any advantage at all. Assuming your shirt's on lol. Of course I've never played in a tournament. But I think players play according to their bankrolls vs others bankrolls etc. If someone didn't take you seriously, they would be making a big mistake.

Now in a casino I do think they go alot by stereotypes and tend to not pay attention to women as a counter etc. I think it could be a definite advantage, if played right, there. Also I think a man-woman team with the woman counting always betting small could be a very effective team and signaling dumb hubby when to bet big.

Has Ken written a book on tournament play yet?

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by ihate17

One smart table game manager in Vegas (also a woman) has let her play for years, knowing she counts. Reason, everytime she sits down at a table guys seem to come out of the woodwork to play with her and having male egos they all seem to want to bet big money. Guess it makes her a de-facto shill, but she skims her take and the table manager has figured out that they make more with her on the table than off. Can not prove this to be true except that this casino has not forbidden her play or spread but has told her that she can bet no more than X dollars per hand, which firms up my belief.

Also, how does it look if a beautiful young woman is backed off?ihate17

Not sure I understand this - what's "skimming her take" mean? How much spread does X dollars allow for?

I mean if they think someone's counting, I don't think being a beautiful woman would matter.

[ihate17]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Not sure I understand this - what's "skimming her take" mean? How much spread does X dollars allow for?

I mean if they think someone's counting, I don't think being a beautiful woman would matter.

Why a beautiful woman matters:
When my neice plays, this manager believes that additional men, playing for big bucks play that might not have played if my neice was not at the table. This is a casino that does not attract big action. Now, based on what I have seen, not tossing her might be more profitable to this casino than tossing her, but that is my take since it would take a ton of hours to prove it out.

Skimming her take: My neice wins a little (a skim off the top) while the casino wins a lot.

Her spread: The max bet they have limited her to, still lets her spread $25-$250.

Now if this table game manager is correct and my neice is attracting enough additional losing $ to a table to more than make up for whatever advantage my neice gets, then this is a smart manager.

Once this table manager moves on, gets orders from a superior, or something else happens, my neice should expect to get backed off.

ihate17