Comps and how to get them

[Dyepaintball12]

Hey.

So I now gamble at Casino Windsor, which is being bought and taken over this summer by Caesars.

Anyway, I have only gambled in 2 casinos, which is a local Indian Casino and now Casino Windsor. At both of these places, the obvious way to get comps is to sign up for their Players Club and then you hand your card to the Pit Boss and he "rates you" by how much you bet, how long you play, etc. I met a kid this weekend at Casino Windsor that says he plays $10 a hand and has gone 3 times a week for a couple months and only has about $80 on his card.

At the Indian Casino, there is NO other way to get comps besides this. You can win $10,000 and they wont even pretend to give you a room.

However, at Casino Windsor which Ive only been one time, I think it may be different and I feel like I could get comps by winning.

So, my question is:

1) I bet around $10-$15 a hand, and buy-in for anywhere between 100-200 Canadian. If I made a large enough amount of money at the table, should I ASK for a comp?

Me and my friend made $900 between us this past weekend and considered asking for a Room but decided we would just get another hotel.

Is it possible to make a sum like that and then just ask the PB if you can get comped? How about if you lose alot? Does it depend on the Casino?

Also, it seems that the Pit Writes down how much you buy-in with at each table, so even if I only want $200 in chips, will it do me anygood to buy-in with all $700 in my pocket?


Thanks alot,

David

[shadroch]

I assume you mean that the casino was bought by Harrahs,which owns Caesars as well.
Harrahs has its comp system down pat. They judge your buy-in,your average bet,time at table and a few other things.Comps are earned by the amount bet. Winning or losing at your level wouldn't factor in.They don't give much in the way of cashback for low level BJ,either.
Next time,after you've played an hour or two,ask for a food comp.They rarely refuse them.After a few hours,if the casino is real slow,it might pay to ask about a room.Remember-all they can do is say no.If they do say no,ask them how much more play you need to give them.
I doesn't really hurt to cash in for more than you will need,but buying $700 worth of chips and then playing with $60 worth is not going to get you much of anything.

[Mr. T]

Originally Posted by shadroch

I assume you mean that the casino was bought by Harrahs,which owns Caesars as well.
Harrahs has its comp system down pat. They judge your buy-in,your average bet,time at table and a few other things.Comps are earned by the amount bet. Winning or losing at your level wouldn't factor in.They don't give much in the way of cashback for low level BJ,either.
Next time,after you've played an hour or two,ask for a food comp.They rarely refuse them.After a few hours,if the casino is real slow,it might pay to ask about a room.Remember-all they can do is say no.If they do say no,ask them how much more play you need to give them.
I doesn't really hurt to cash in for more than you will need,but buying $700 worth of chips and then playing with $60 worth is not going to get you much of anything.

It is begging. Shame on you.

Don't take me too seriously now Shadroch

[EasyRhino]

D, first, you want to read a copy of Comp City.

Second, the formula is all about theoretical losses.

Theo = average bet * estimated edge on game * time played

Actual wins or losses are attempted to be tracked, and might "fudge" a tight comp decision in one direction or another, but at most places it's about the theos.

In red chip play locally, I've found that a couple hours can get me an food comp basically 100% of the time. Since they're local, I haven't bothered with room comps, or really fancy stuff. It does seem to be harder to get food comps for multiple people with red chip play, I think the singles are done more as a courtesy.

Also, I'll throw out the factoid that many comps are based assuming four hours of play a day, so it's really targeting the vacation-type person. You can make this up by playing for 4x higher stakes for one hour, though.

[Knox]

What about pocketing green chips. Every time I go to the bathroom, $25-$50 goes with me in my hand, which I don't put back on the table.

I have used this method twice. The first time I won $500 and it appeared I won about $200. The second time I lost $500 and it appeared I lost $800. Both places have since offered me free rooms, the latter for 3 nights! So obviously this strategy works.

I should mention that while I had that bad session losing $500 on green chip play, on the same trip I won $600 playing $5-$10 tables in about two days. So the net gain was only $100, but I was up quite a few units.

I have since graduate a green chip player, wish me luck!

[shadroch]

When you get a players card,your information is passed on to the marketing department. They send out postcards to help fill casino rooms. Believe it or not,they have no idea and don't really care in you won or lost. All they care about is the level of play. If you are progressing from red chips to green,your offers will get better. Pocketing a few chips has nothing to do with it.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by EasyRhino

Second, the formula is all about theoretical losses.
Theo = average bet * estimated edge on game * time played

Wouldn't that formula mean a BS player with comps would be playing a break-even game?

Anyway it seems in AC BJ players pretty much get food comps - it's the slot players that get cash comps.

It might help to buy in bigger and make your first few bets $25 while he's watching. So, after a really long time, you get a $10 hamburger that cost them $2 to make lol.

[shadroch]

I know plenty of $25-50 BJ players at Harrahs in AC who get rooms,food and limos.One lady I sometimes catch a ride with made Diamond status just playing BJ and Let it Ride. Tough to do,but possible.She plays every Monday,stays over twice a month and spends most long weekends there,playing ten or more hours a day.She doesn't count,knows BS pretty much but will deviate on occasion and treats the table like they are her ex-sons in law.

[EasyRhino]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Wouldn't that formula mean a BS player with comps would be playing a break-even game?
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It might help to buy in bigger and make your first few bets $25 while he's watching.

You just recited chapters 3 and 4 of Comp City.

Actually, since the house edge against the "average" player can be as high as 2%, and since you can slow down the pace of the game to a crawl, and since you can trick the pit into rating you with a higher average bet, the idea is to get comps greater than the value of your actual theoretical loss.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by shadroch

I know plenty of $25-50 BJ players at Harrahs in AC who get rooms,food and limos.One lady I sometimes catch a ride with made Diamond status just playing BJ and Let it Ride. Tough to do,but possible.She plays every Monday,stays over twice a month and spends most long weekends there,playing ten or more hours a day.She doesn't count,knows BS pretty much but will deviate on occasion and treats the table like they are her ex-sons in law.

That makes sense - guess I was talking about the low-rollers! Who they could care less about. Which is fine with me.

And, oh yeah, drink beer in AC at the tables because their hard drinks suck and will never make up any losses

Is that a chapter in Comp City lol?