Cheaters

[casinozone]

Have you ever witnessed any type of cheating in your time at the table?

Card counting or anything along that line?

Cheers.

[liber8_d]

First up, card counting is not cheating. Its not illegal either. It's just using your knowledge and memory to turn the odds of the game to your favour.
Every game in every casino in the world all have odds in the favour of the casino, and no-one calls that cheating, do they?

I'm not that experienced in casinos, being in a very casino-poor area, but the only cheating (using your definition of it) I've seen would be me Wonging into a rich deck to start playing BS. I'm not quite up to counting in a casino environment yet, but I try.

Originally Posted by casinozone

Have you ever witnessed any type of cheating in your time at the table?

Card counting or anything along that line?

Cheers.

[Canceler]

casinozone-

Why on earth would you think that counting cards is cheating?

To answer your question, I've only noticed one other person counting at the same time I was. Had one guy who seemed to know I was counting, although I don't think he was. One other guy jumped in with a huge bet when the count was pretty high. I suspected him of being a wonger, but maybe it was coincidence. That's it.

Strikes me that the only people who can answer your question about card counters would be.... card counters. Are you just a troll?

[ZMan]

I don't consider card-counting as cheating.

But, it's hard to tell if someone is counting. After all, you don't count on your fingers. Varying bets can be an indicater, but not on its own. I've seen people vary their bets, but were playing very stupid -- not even close to basic strategy. Counting cards will make you vary from BS but not that wildly.

[E-town-guy]

liber8 d, Wonging is not cheating either. I count cards and work at a casino and have never seen anyone cheating at BJ. In fact, I have never seen anyone else, other than myself, who was counting cards.

At the casino I work at I know there were a couple people banned before I got into counting or started working there, they were banned because of counting. They were playing high limit and won several 1000 at least. I on the other hand usually don't bet more than $50 so I don't think they care too much about me winning a couple hundred here and there. Of course I can't play at the same casino I work at.

I've heard of a couple people who got kicked out of the poker room for cheating. One time the rake box wasn't fully secure so most of the rake was dropping on the floor so the guy sitting in seat 1 was picking it up for himself. He was banned but later on was allowed back in. Another guy got caught taking chips off the poker table and he was banned (you're not allowed to take any of your chips off the table unless you're leaving or buying food). And the third guy only got a warning. He was selling stolen suits in the casino's parking lot and was arrested. Not sure if he had to go to jail or just pay a fine but all the casino did was tell him not sell stolen merchandise on their property or he'll be banned next time. He's one of the regulars so I guess aslong as he's not stealing from the casino and keeps paying rake (in poker) they'll be happy.

[Jeff Dubya]

Hey fellas, take it easy.

Remember one fact about those of us who are beginners, casinos have gone to great lengths to convince us and the general public that counting is cheating.

casinozone just needs a friendly re-education.

[BJStanko]

Originally Posted by manray

Hey fellas, take it easy.

Remember one fact about those of us who are beginners, casinos have gone to great lengths to convince us and the general public that counting is cheating.

Casinozone is probably casino provocateur, employee or something, probably very small figure. Hi is not beginner NO NO.

This time I would like to point out THE BIGEST PROVOCATOR SCAM AND "CASINO PERSON"

VICTOR H ROYER

Remember this name.

I believe that he is “casino person” (walking sabotage) that is instructed by somebody in casino industry to write books in which he constantly tries to prove that card counting doesn't work, and always offers "modified" basic blackjack strategies that suppose to "save" you money.
By the way he wrote the book "Powerful Profits" """Slots""" in which he teaches you how to beat SLOTS!

Hey guys anybody interested in beating SLOTS?

[Jeff Dubya]

Wellllll....

I am assuming he's just a misguided Average Joe.

If you're correct then he's a trolling SOB, and I'm a dope for falling for it and defending him.

[pamelarose]

Hi everybody

I am very new to this forum and gambling. Our union had a outing to the casino and I discovered BlackJack while there. It was a Thursday afternoon and things were pretty slow. I sat at a table who had, what I assumed was a local lady who often played and a great dealer. Both of them helped me a lot and I ended up winning more than I had initially put down to bet with. It was a great first experience and the game really intreagued me.

I went home and went to this website, which the lady I was playing with recomended, read a lot, played the stratigy engine and ended up purchasing Casiono Verite and 2 books with most of my winnings.

Since then I have been to the casino with my boyfriend. I was only playing with $120 at first. I am wining 50% of the time. Even after making some very bad rookie mistakes, being up over twice what I putr down only to loose it ALL before I quit because I lost what I was prepaired to loose that night.

Two other times I doubled my $ ad had enough sense to go home. So far I am ahead $250.



[QUOTE=E-town-guy]liber8 d, Wonging is not cheating either. I count cards and work at a casino and have never seen anyone cheating at BJ.

I do realize the cards sometimes favor the players and sometimes favor the dealers. I have also noticed that some times the table goes though a winning streak and sometimes the dealer does BUT

On my last trip there were some very high rollers at my table and one of them was betting a lot and winning a lot more. That night for me was a struggle to even stay in the game but after a few hours of treading water I started winning big and so was everyone else at the table.

I was almost doubling my money when a new dealer came to the table. She delt very fast abd didn't count the cards, inclufding hers or help anyone very much. She whipped out all of my money in short order and I was so angry with myself because this was the second time I was doubling my money and lost it ALL in short order.

My question is ....

When a $25 table is winning thousands in a short time would the casion send in a samari dealer? Would she cheat when counting her hand and ours so she would win all the time?

I know it was probebly just "the flow of the cards" and I should have gotten out while I was ahead. It just seemed to me she was going so fast few had time to count her cards.

any help you all could give me would be very appreciated.

Thank you all in advance

Pam

[Mikeaber]

First....to the "cheating" question. It has been pointed out already that counting is NOT cheating...It's not illegal....but it is unacceptable in casinos though they cannot do anything to a counter theoretically other than ban him from BJ in that casino or possibly completely ban him from the casino itself!

Neither is "hole carding" or "first basing" illegal. That's just taking advantage of information that a sloppy dealer offers up to alert players.

Cheating to me (or stealing) that can happen at the table is something that I've not seen but once. That happened when a very clumsy player tried to cap a bet with an extra red chip. He was caught and escorted away from the table. What happened to him, I do not know.