Some advice needed

[monkulescu]

Hi there,

I must say I've learned a lot from your website. I live in Romania. The casinos here don't quite care about card counting, so you can play as much as you want. We have a 6-D game, with 1,5-2 deck penetration, dealer stands on soft 17, double any card, double after split allowed and early surrender. I've seen a chart where with basic strategy, you have a house edge of 0,08%. The only problem here is that you cannot surrender on a dealer's Ace. My question would be how is that influencing the house edge (not beeing able to surrneder on ace) and what card counting system should I learn to use more properly on these rules, since now I'm using Hi-Lo and I know that this is not the most accurate system.

Thanks and keep up the good work!

[jack,jackson]

Originally Posted by monkulescu

Hi there,

I must say I've learned a lot from your website. I live in Romania. The casinos here don't quite care about card counting, so you can play as much as you want. We have a 6-D game, with 1,5-2 deck penetration, dealer stands on soft 17, double any card, double after split allowed and early surrender. I've seen a chart where with basic strategy, you have a house edge of 0,08%. The only problem here is that you cannot surrender on a dealer's Ace. My question would be how is that influencing the house edge (not beeing able to surrneder on ace) and what card counting system should I learn to use more properly on these rules, since now I'm using Hi-Lo and I know that this is not the most accurate system.

Thanks and keep up the good work!

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[jack,jackson]

Originally Posted by monkulescu

Hi there,

I must say I've learned a lot from your website. I live in Romania. The casinos here don't quite care about card counting, so you can play as much as you want. We have a 6-D game, with 1,5-2 deck penetration, dealer stands on soft 17, double any card, double after split allowed and early surrender. I've seen a chart where with basic strategy, you have a house edge of 0,08%. The only problem here is that you cannot surrender on a dealer's Ace. My question would be how is that influencing the house edge (not beeing able to surrneder on ace) and what card counting system should I learn to use more properly on these rules, since now I'm using Hi-Lo and I know that this is not the most accurate system.

Thanks and keep up the good work!

; Can you Sr on ace AFTER dealer checks for a natural[bj] w/ace up or not at all period.

[monkulescu]

dealer doesn't check for BJ, it's that european style BJ where dealer draws his second card after every one has finished hitting or standing. you cannot surrender at all on ace

[monkulescu]

oh, and you can ask for even money on BJ if dealer has ace or 10. that helps if the count is high i guess

[Thunder]

I hope that doesn't mean you lose all of your wager when you double down and the dealer has BJ!

[monkulescu]

yes you do. if you have 11, dealer 10 or ace, you double, dealer makes BJ you lose it all. i never though double on dealer 10 or ace

[jack,jackson]

Originally Posted by monkulescu

yes you do. if you have 11, dealer 10 or ace, you double, dealer makes BJ you lose it all. i never though double on dealer 10 or ace

First of all, this isnt the real early surrender. Real early Sr has all become but obsolete. Since most of your advantage when using this option comes from saving half your bet when the dealer has an ace. This rule isnt much better than late Sr if at all, the two differences in the two is that in late Sr you can still fold against an ace provided dealer dosent have blackjack. But in this version you cant,but instead have the option of folding when dealer has a ten, allowing you to save half your bet before he checks for blackjack, when you weigh the two out the balance is probably about the same, but i cant say for sure what the exact difference is.The late Sr gain varies from about .02% flat betting with basic strategy to about .20% variable betting with an advanced strategy which is probably somewhere in the range of this version of Sr.

[jack,jackson]

Originally Posted by jack,jackson

First of all, this isnt the real early surrender. Real early Sr has all become but obsolete. Since most of your advantage when using this option comes from saving half your bet when the dealer has an ace. This rule isnt much better than late Sr if at all, the two differences in the two is that in late Sr you can still fold against an ace provided dealer dosent have blackjack. But in this version you cant,but instead have the option of folding when dealer has a ten, allowing you to save half your bet before he checks for blackjack, when you weigh the two out the balance is probably about the same, but i cant say for sure what the exact difference is.The late Sr gain varies from about .02% flat betting with basic strategy to about .20% variable betting with an advanced strategy which is probably somewhere in the range of this version of Sr.

In addition to this you lose additional money on doub and split's [-.13] so you should never doub or split against a ten or ace however, continue to split aces against a ten. Furthermore, you cant take insurance w/an ace which can cause serious havoc to the card counter disabling your oppurtunity to save your big bets.
And as far as insuring blackjacks on tens is a risky business unless you know what the exact playing index is.Probably to high to even matter in a six deck game.Your odds off the top are 6d[.-61]no hole card[.-13]S17[.00]LtSr{+.08]
DAS[+.14]. Reference:blackjack for blood +1,2, or 4 deck games.

[monkulescu]

"Furthermore, you cant take insurance w/an ace which can cause serious havoc to the card counter disabling your oppurtunity to save your big bets.
" what do you mean i can't take insurance on ace? of course i can...