Super Fun 21

[WABJ11]

Ive asked about this game before and I read a very interesting article on the game: http://web.archive.org/web/200306110...SuperFun21.htm

However there are a few things in the article which I need some help on. Keep in mind I am a bit of a newb at this. The first thing I dont understand is what is Fun 14?

Secondly when using the KO counting system, do you start the count at 0 or -4?

Thanks any other information or advice would be apprieciated.

P.S. does counting the burn card in this single deck game matter? I have requested to have it shown but the dealers always say they are not allowed to reveal it.

[nightspirit]

You start your IRC at 0 for single decks.

Fun 14 means the 14 most valuable deviations from basic strategy, like the Illustrious 18 at hi-lo.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by WABJ11

Ive asked about this game before and I read a very interesting article on the game: http://web.archive.org/web/200306110...SuperFun21.htm

However there are a few things in the article which I need some help on. Keep in mind I am a bit of a newb at this. The first thing I dont understand is what is Fun 14?

Secondly when using the KO counting system, do you start the count at 0 or -4?

Thanks any other information or advice would be apprieciated.

P.S. does counting the burn card in this single deck game matter? I have requested to have it shown but the dealers always say they are not allowed to reveal it.

Its NOT a good game because you will need to learn a different BS AND use a 20-1 spread.

One way to improve the game is IF the dealer will let you early-surrender (some do due to ingnorance).

Another improvement comes when the dealer pases you by without a hand-signal and you can get an occaisional dead hand.

Lastly, the game is an absolute winner IF you can see the dealer holecard. zg

[WABJ11]

Early Surrender? You mean against an Ace?

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by WABJ11

Early Surrender? You mean against an Ace?

A-10 BEFORE checking for natural. zg

[Brock Windsor]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

Lastly, the game is an absolute winner IF you can see the dealer holecard. zg

Agreed, but there must be some strategy changes over Shacklefords' hole card play chart that would have you playing optimally while hole carding Super Fun 21. (Naturally the player would not follow the chart 100% for camoflauge purposes.) I've posted the same problem with Spanish 21, I more often find sloppy dealers on these 'carnival' type variations of blackjack, but there is little info on how to fully exploit it. Cardcounting we memorize flashcards and increase the difficulty of our systems to squeeze out an extra tenth of a percent or less, but if hole carding charts existed for the variation games I could probably gain a few full percentage points in advantage and play games that attract much less heat.
BW

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by Brock Windsor

Agreed, but there must be some strategy changes over Shacklefords' hole card play chart that would have you playing optimally while hole carding Super Fun 21. (Naturally the player would not follow the chart 100% for camoflauge purposes.) I've posted the same problem with Spanish 21, I more often find sloppy dealers on these 'carnival' type variations of blackjack, but there is little info on how to fully exploit it. Cardcounting we memorize flashcards and increase the difficulty of our systems to squeeze out an extra tenth of a percent or less, but if hole carding charts existed for the variation games I could probably gain a few full percentage points in advantage and play games that attract much less heat.
BW

Holevarding Super21 - This is a question for LVHCM!! Hey LVHCM, whats the answer?? zg

[WABJ11]

The casino does not show the burn card. Should I count it as -1, or is it insignificant?

Also I was told when you split aces and one of them is a diamond ace and then you get a diamond 10 card with that Ace it does not pay 2 to 1. The dealer told me you must be dealt a diamond blackjack. However when I played on Intercasino they did pay 2 to 1 even when you split them. Is there an official rule on this?

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by WABJ11

The casino does not show the burn card. Should I count it as -1, or is it insignificant?

Don't count it - an unseen card is an unseen card no matter where it happens.


No official rules lol - whatever they say, that's what it is and u have to figure out what to do about it lol.

[WABJ11]

Well my first session went very well. I wont $300 in 2 hours using a 1-10 spread. At what count in this game do you take insurance? What do you do in counts of +5 and you are dealt 12-14 with a dealer up card of 10? Another thing I found myself doing was when I made a big bet I would forget the count because I would get nervous. When the dealer yells "checks play," why is he/she doing this?

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this post.