Why is that

[monkulescu]

I simply don't get it. I've seen a few movies where there is talk of card counters, and we're depicted as thieves, as con artists. It's absurd and ridiculous. A card counter wins only on the long run, they don't leave every day with tens of thousands of dollars out of the casino. Someone should make a movie about the reality of card counting, don't you think?

[positiveEV]

Think about it: do you really think Casinos that sign contracts to be shown in big movies want to tell everyone that card counting is good and that you should do it? They are here to make money and they try to spread things like that to try to reduce the amount of card counters, if they make everyone think that it's illegal and like stealing, then fewer people will actually give it a try and they will have better explanations for barring players.

[jack,jackson]

Originally Posted by monkulescu

I simply don't get it. I've seen a few movies where there is talk of card counters, and we're depicted as thieves, as con artists. It's absurd and ridiculous. A card counter wins only on the long run, they don't leave every day with tens of thousands of dollars out of the casino. Someone should make a movie about the reality of card counting, don't you think?

Im down with that, and soon enough i assure there will be. Card counting is more popular now than than ever.When i first started counting it was rare to even see vegas on t.v, now it's an everyday thing. Theres alot about it, that people simply dont understand, and people fear for what they do not understand. We are in fact, the doorway for future card counters.I just hope that in the future theres still a doorway to walk through!

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by monkulescu

Someone should make a movie about the reality of card counting, don't you think?

No. I think that would be kinda boring. Making movies is all about making the film exciting, not accurate.

[ihate17]

Originally Posted by asiafever

Think about it: do you really think Casinos that sign contracts to be shown in big movies want to tell everyone that card counting is good and that you should do it? They are here to make money and they try to spread things like that to try to reduce the amount of card counters, if they make everyone think that it's illegal and like stealing, then fewer people will actually give it a try and they will have better explanations for barring players.

I have known enough people who have attempted to be cardcounters to firmly believe that only about 5% of those who try continue on to be lifetime winners. Many quit and others just make too many errors (strategic and emotional) and land up giving their edge away. Still others have holes in their game because they play craps, VP or something else too much.
So perhaps that 95% would add to the casino profits or perhaps not because many of those players even if they do not win long run, might land up losing less because they at least learned enough to keep the house edge low.
Unsure here, but casinos being the paranoic beasts that they are, would never think it could add profits.

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[Kasi]

Originally Posted by asiafever

They are here to make money and they try to spread things like that to try to reduce the amount of card counters, if they make everyone think that it's illegal and like stealing, then fewer people will actually give it a try and they will have better explanations for barring players.

I've always found it interesting that card-counting in NJ is recognized as a legitimate way to play but in Nevada it's illegal. I think. Perhaps not illegal but they have the right to bar u for it. Is that right?

So NJ recognizes it's a game of skill and Nevada says u just have to be lucky.

I think way back when, like 1962 when a high-roller was $25 and I think basically all games were single deck dealt to the end, Beat the Dealer came out and all the casinos panicked thinking card-counters would win millions from them. They shut down BJ tables I think and only eventually figured out husbands were no longer bringing their wives to Vegas and most peope can't count to 2 anyway. Especially Thorpe's original system. When business fell off they brought it back. And then the war began - more decks, worse rules, less penetration, no touching the cards, ASM's, CSM's, no mid-shoe entry, face-recognition software, mirrors to check card, MindPlay, radio frequency chips in chips, etc.

I wonder when Nevada ruled suspected card-counters could be barred? Did the courts do it or the Gaming Commission? What exactly was their logic anyway?

I bet Vegas would rid themselves of every BJ game if they could but realize accepting smaller gains is more than offset by husbands bringing wives, hotel rooms, food etc. (don't mean to sound too sexist here lol.)

Hell, forget about card-counters being illegal or cheating, our own Neo-Nazi, bible-thumping, hypocritical gov't says it's illegal to just access the internet and play a $1 hand.

[ihate17]

Cardcounting and holecarding are perfectly legal in Nevada. The propaganda of casinos has lead many to believe that it is illegal. So far, even in Nevada, the use of one's brain is still legal.
All casinos are considered private property and in Nevada a person can be barred from entering private property by the owner or the owner's representative without reason or cause. So you get barred and if you return you can be arrested for misdemeaner tresspassing and they need not give a reason.
Now what I am uncertain about and perhaps a Nevada attorney can explain is how Innkeeper rules and casino barring conflict with eachother. In Nevada they can and do evict you from your hotel room if you happen to be staying at the same property where they barred you. They do not always do this.

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