Non counters please advise

[Jdesey]

I am not a counter. I enjoy BJ very much and have become better as I nailed down basic strategy this year. My biggest issue seems to be bet size. I have tried many variations of pressing. Press 50% of winnings. Press 100% for 3 hands. I am now convinced that this is not working long term. It is great when you hit 5, 6 or 7 in a row.

who is flat betting?? is it working for you?

I believe that flat betting can work if you have 100% basic strategy with no errors.

[shadroch]

You cannot win playing BS with even 100% perfect play. The house still
has an advantage. How much of an advantage will depend on the rules and the number of decks.
Flat betting with perfect BS on a good game will reduce your losses to next to nothing,but you will not be winning.But flat betting is better than any sort of pressing.

[DC15]

I am also a non counter and have found parlaying to be the best system to get ahead, playing BS seems to minimize loses but the house still has that small edge, so once you win a hand parlay up straight away and take advantage of your winnings. I did this last night and only started moving forward once I started parlaying 100% of my winnings, before that I was flat betting and going nowhere. I then hit the crpas tables and won $500 in 30mins, I was betting $10 on hard 8,6,4 and also pressing when I won, the dice were hot and I came out in front.

DC

[Dyepaintball12]

Well I use to play just Basic Strategy, and "my system" worked fairly well.

I would bet $5, and if I won three $5 hands in a row, I would bet $10, then if I won $10 three times in a row I would bet $15, then every two wins I would increase my bet by $5. And every time I lost a hand I would go back to $5 and start over.

I read about it in a book when I got started in Blackjack and thats why I did it and some days I would make $100-$500, some days I would lose $100-$500, and other days I would break even.

I got tired of this so I am now learning to count.

Hopefully that helped.

Also, please dont double ur bet after every loss.

[EasyRhino]

Few years ago, when I only knew about 70% of the basic strategy (had only practiced for an hour!) I had a blast just flat betting the minimum and BS'ing (the other kind) with my fellow ploppies at the table. The fun part to me wasn't the gambling, it was just the "yay" "boo" nature of the game itself, and trying to remember the right plays.

Flat betting has a lot of virtues. It's easy. It has low variance. And if you flat bet a low amount, it's cheap.

But if you're really in it for the gamble, then you can go with a positive system or a negative system. A positive progression of any sort is going to make you lose more most of the time, but sometimes you'll get that BIG win. A negative system is going to make you lose less often, but with the occasional BIG loss.

If, at heart, you're a slot player, go with the positive progression. If you're playing with the rent money play with a negative progression (better yet, go home).

And the final option is just take half of the night's bankroll and bet it on one hand, and see where that leads you. Or as I like to put it "I've got three hours of gambling to do, and only one hour to do it".

[dacium]

I remember when I first saw and played blackjack. I didn't know what basic strategy was. I was relying on nothing but the math I could do in my head to try and figure out what play was the best.

The best I could come up with was that the average card would be valued at about 7, so I based on all my decisions on that. Turns out if you assume any card will be a 7, you pretty much will be playing basic strategy anyway.

We played it for about 10 sessions and won a heap of money. I look back now and I believe we were giving an edge of about 2%... just shows what luck you can have flat betting.

[tedloc]

Originally Posted by Jdesey

I am not a counter. I enjoy BJ very much and have become better as I nailed down basic strategy this year. My biggest issue seems to be bet size. I have tried many variations of pressing. Press 50% of winnings. Press 100% for 3 hands. I am now convinced that this is not working long term. It is great when you hit 5, 6 or 7 in a row.

who is flat betting?? is it working for you?

I believe that flat betting can work if you have 100% basic strategy with no errors.

I read an article by Fred Renzy about flat betting that I use. He gave this example. A $25 dollar better gets delt 9 vs dealer 4 and does not want to double. He wins the hand, then leaves the $50 out on the next hand. He gets delt 20 but the dealer gets blackjack. He didn't double, when he was a favorite, but turns around and doubles on a blind hand. Renzy says that if you don't count, you should flat bet and after you get your cards, double or split, when you have the advantage. He says, when you feel like betting $100, bet $50, then after you get the cards make the move.

[rogue1]

Check out Twenty First Century Blackjack: A New Strategy For A New Millennium by Walter Thomason. If you have questions for him he can be reached at www.hitorstand.com

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by rogue1

Check out Twenty First Century Blackjack: A New Strategy For A New Millennium by Walter Thomason. If you have questions for him he can be reached at www.hitorstand.com

Walter Thomason posts on Fred Renzey's website?

A better website to learn about Thomason's progression system is here.

-Sonny-

[Canceler]

HitOrStand is Fred Renzey's website?

Walter Thomason's last post there was on 08-04-2005, 04:32 PM.