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Old November 15th, 2005, 06:26 PM
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Default Are there any other Casino games that have good odds?

I have heard by those on this site that Blackjack "can" have favorable odds if you are an expert. WHat else can the user beat the Casino consistently? I am pretty sure slots is a big no-no. Poker? Roulette and craps(I have heard conflicting things, but to my reasoning it is a game based on Chaos Theory and nothing more), anything else?
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Old November 15th, 2005, 08:21 PM
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Live poker is beatable, if you're better than the other players by enough to beat the house rake.

Video poker is beatable, if you find an appropriately favorable paytable, play nearly perfectly, and add in the cash back and promotions.

Craps: I'm becoming a believer in dice control. Many players whose opinion I respect are now playing craps profitably by learning to throw the dice in a controlled manner.

Even slots can be beaten sometimes. The concept of the 'banking' game surfaced several years ago, where some slot machines offer a bonus feature that builds value until it is won. By playing only machines that are in a favorable state, you can play slots profitably. The first machine of this type was called Piggy Bankin'. There are many more.

Roulette has been beaten by some players, by exploiting imperfect wheels that show a bias for certain numbers. There have also been several groups that developed successful computers that calculated where the ball would land based on the velocity of the ball and the wheel.

Sports betting can be beaten if you are skilled enough to detect when the spread doesn't accurately mirror the teams abilities.

Almost any card game on the casino floor has the potential to be beaten legally if the casino dealers are lax in their procedures.

There's a big world out there. Open your eyes.
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Old November 15th, 2005, 10:07 PM
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Thank you very much.
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Old November 26th, 2005, 11:09 PM
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Craps: I'm becoming a believer in dice control. Many players whose opinion I respect are now playing craps profitably by learning to throw the dice in a controlled manner.
Ken,

Do you have any info on how this is done? I've heard about it and the local casino we have has a craps table but I haven't gone over and tried it out just yet.

Unfortunatley...the "hi-limit" tables where I have made over six figures at is being closed!!! They actually dropped the table min down to 15$/500 from 50/1000...so every tom, dick and harry are playing there now.

Come January 1st...this Casino will be all CSM with the hi-limit room closed and filled with "electronic gaming machines". Considering that this casino only opened last Spring...

Either way...I'm looking for another advantage game to supplement my income. I'm thinking that craps could be it. Any info Ken would be greatly appreciated.

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Old November 27th, 2005, 11:04 AM
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I hear Frank Scoblete has a new book out that includes a lot of photos demonstrating the technique. I haven't checked it out yet.
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Old November 27th, 2005, 11:46 AM
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The current issue of Casino Player magazine has a rather extensive article with some pictures. Try google.
I have a friend who took a two day 'lesson' from a control artists. He camew away convinced it was possible but says it was more effort than he wanted to put in.
but now he can recognize someone by the way they set the dice.
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Old November 27th, 2005, 06:36 PM
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Thanks fellas. I'll do some research on this.

On a related note...I wonder if one can purchase a regulation craps table so I could practice at home.
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Old November 30th, 2005, 12:26 PM
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I just bought a book on Craps that tells you how to set the dice and where to stand at the table etc. It even gives you plans for making your own craps table if you want to build one. It's called "Get the Edge at Craps: How to Control the Dice" by Sharpshooter with a Forward by Frank Scoblete.

It's easy to understand and I'll know if it helps me out when I go to the casino and try it out. I used to set the dice to what one of my previous good rolls was set at. Now I'll try to set it the way it's explained in this book.

Ken: Do you remember the name of the book that you mentioned? I might want to get that one also. Thanks.
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Old November 30th, 2005, 01:18 PM
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It's Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution.
The link is to Amazon.com.
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It's Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution.
The link is to Amazon.com.
Thanks for the link and the title.
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