wong on advantage craps?

[xxrenegadexx]

is it true that stanford wong wrote a book on advantage craps play?

[xxrenegadexx]

im just very curious if the man that we name wonging (backcounting) after plays advantage craps?

[bigbjfan]

I'm pretty sure he's a craps expert and wrote a book about the subject.

[xxrenegadexx]

Originally Posted by bigbjfan

I'm pretty sure he's a craps expert and wrote a book about the subject.

how can anyone predict the outcome of a roll of dice?

[zengrifter]

Excerpts from Barfarkel's Spring 2005 Trip Report...

[The Grifter and I] had arranged to meet Stanford Wong, and Al and Chris from Pi Yee Press at a craps table, where we would all pass the dice back around to Stanford as often as we could. SW would use the dice control methods he’s been honing for the past year, and we would all bet on his dice rolls, hopefully making some money in the process.

My old buddy Turtle stopped by to check out the action, but didn’t play. Despite all the time Turtle’s hung around casinos in his life, he’s never learned the game of craps, so he stood next to me and just watched the proceedings. As it turned out, he was the wise one. I was betting $5 or $10 on the pass line, and taking $50 odds. I’d also place bet the six and eight for $30 or $60 each. Come bets take too much time and clutter up the area of the table that Wong needs to be kept clear as his landing zone. The Grifter and Chris anchored the landing zone at the end of the table, keeping that area clear of chips.

Stanford started out well, and he held the dice for a decent amount of time on each of his early turns, but his last two rolls turned ugly and he sevened out at critical times, just after we were all set up with lots of chips upon the layout. I wound up losing $260 at this would-be display of skilled dice shooting.

Chris and I supplied the comps for the five of us as we had dinner in the Carson Street Café. Al told us Stanford usually makes money for them at the dice table and this was SW’s first craps loss in the last month or two. Just my luck, huh? Chris brought us up to date on the doings of the BJ21.com website and told us which books were selling well – mine included. Pi Yee Press sells a lot of books and You’ve Got Heat was their best selling title in November, December and January. It finally got supplanted by Steve Forte’s new book. Al told us of his campaign to get the Nevada legislature to drop a proposed bill that would have allowed casino managers and security goons to have access to DMV records. As it turned out, the bill was eventually voted down to our vast relief. Stanford gave us tips on how to practice at home to hone your controlled dice shooting skills.

The Grifter regaled us with tales of the poker and blackjack tournaments held in Federal Prison Camp, and how he got an edge over his fellow inmates and the staff. Wong just loves The Grifter’s stories and always regards him as a fascinating character. We also discussed the math behind some of the blackjack side-bets we had been exploiting, with insightful help from SW.

I had the filet mignon again while most of us ordered various steak dinners as well. There’s nothing as fine as a relaxed and comped dinner with knowledgeable friends, especially if one of them is Stanford Wong, and you also have The Grifter and Al Rogers telling their entertaining stories.

...more - http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=737

[xxrenegadexx]

so what your telling me is that stanford wong cannot predict the roll of the dice?

[ChefJJ]

Originally Posted by xxrenegadexx

so what your telling me is that stanford wong cannot predict the roll of the dice?

Nobody can...that's not the point of dice influencing/controlling. It's about changing the inherent probabilities of the outcomes. There is always going to be randomness in the dice unless you slide them down the table.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by xxrenegadexx

is it true that stanford wong wrote a book on advantage craps play?

Yes, I have a copy at home. He describes different ways to control the dice and gives a few practice techniques. Numerous members of his website have disputed his claim that craps can be controlled (or even affected to a +EV). The book described how they challenged him to prove his claims and how he won the challenge, although many people are still doubtful of his techniques. Personally, I don’t think his techniques would ever work for me so I have little interest in it.

-Sonny-