Lucky Ladies

[aslan]

In Lucky Ladies, as most of you probably know, you can bet on the possibility of having two face cards/tens on your first two cards. There are odds for different situations, for instance, two Q's of hearts pays big odds, and with dealer blackjack, I believe it pays 1000 to 1.

My questions is, at what point count does it become favorable to bet that you receive twenty on the deal?

[Sonny]

This should get you started:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=1233
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=4482
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=4514

-Sonny-

[Mimosine]

Originally Posted by aslan

In Lucky Ladies, as most of you probably know, you can bet on the possibility of having two face cards/tens on your first two cards. There are odds for different situations, for instance, two Q's of hearts pays big odds, and with dealer blackjack, I believe it pays 1000 to 1.

My questions is, at what point count does it become favorable to bet that you receive twenty on the deal?

this very question has been asked an answered several times in the past 6 months, check the CC forum, and give the old SEARCH feature a whirl. you'll find the specifics in the query results (in addition to the links sonny gave you).

[dacium]

I would bet it +7 hi/lo to be safe.

I think I worked out +4 but I never got to sim it, it was onyl based on math. Another guy who only based on sim got +7.

[Mimosine]

when i play it with KO i plan on playing it around RC = +5 which is slightly higher than a hilo TC of +4. i don't have any sims to back it up, just some sagely advice from a shady neophyte.

[aslan]

Originally Posted by Mimosine

when i play it with KO i plan on playing it around RC = +5 which is slightly higher than a hilo TC of +4. i don't have any sims to back it up, just some sagely advice from a shady neophyte.

Shady Neophyte!!! Now I like that!!! Question: How does TC of +4 translate to Key Count or Pivot Point. Playing KO I'm used to thinking in terms of IRC=-28, KC=-6, and PP=+4, in an 8-deck game. Of course, I ratcheted the whole thing up to IRC=+12, KC=+34, and PP=+44 to make counting easier for me (I hate those negative RC's).

[aslan]

I have searched all the threads related to Lucky Ladies. All I want to know is where in 8-deck using KO does the side bet become favorable? Is it at the Key Count (-6), the Pivot Point (+4) or some other count? I just don't know how to translate what is said in other counting systems to the simple KO system.

[Mimosine]

With KO the PIVOT POINT of +4 using the IRCs in the book, means that your true count is +4, no matter where you are in the deck.

for LL's you at least need to be at the pivot point to bet it, i think you need to be a little bit higher, I was told at +5 or +6 so that is what I bet it at.

[aslan]

Originally Posted by Mimosine

With KO the PIVOT POINT of +4 using the IRCs in the book, means that your true count is +4, no matter where you are in the deck.

for LL's you at least need to be at the pivot point to bet it, i think you need to be a little bit higher, I was told at +5 or +6 so that is what I bet it at.

Thanks. +5 or +6 sounds good. Would you bet the minimum, the maximum or somewhere in the middle on the Lucky Ladies bet? I think on our $10 table the minimum was $5 and the max was $25.

[bj bob]

This subject begs the next question.
Once a minimum TC is established for the LL bet, let's say +5. Would it then not follow that the bet should be increased as the TC exceeds this min TC as does the main bet correlating to the TC? In other words, if the LL min. bet is $5 and the max. $25, at what TC should the $25 LL bet be placed?