Table conditions

One thing I like to do that I have had success with is look for a table where the dealers chip stack is depleted compared to others, if the dealer has full stacks stay away. I have had some very good sessions doing this, basically its a tell that the dealer is busting and its time to get in on that run of cards.

DC

Jerry Patterson recommends this as part of his TARGET system (TAble Research, Grading and Evaluation Technique). He also suggests that players avoid empty tables because it is a sure sign that the previous players were wiped out and the dealers is unbeatable (or the table is dealer-biased). His system has players running around the casino looking for full tables, happy players, full ashtrays, and other clues to determine if a table is profitable.

Although his system is not effective, it does give great cover for backcounting players.

-Sonny-

Looking for tables with full ashtrays in Atlantic City is a very good way for non-counters to reduce their losses.

Are they pretty much smoke free now? Haven't been there in a couple months.

Talk about about being superstitious, read that as Voodoo. Where is the math on this. But yes I am on board with you on this.
Like Shadroch says it reduces your losses as it slows the game right down.

treating this a little more seriously

How do you know that starting at this moment, the dealer bust are over?
How do you know that the rack had been empty but just before you showed up they had a massive fill?
How do you know that just because one dealer busted a lot, the new one will?
How do you know that the pit did not take some chips off this table to have them brought to another table?
How do you know that four people who just lost, left with chips and refused to color up?
How do you know that if you approach this table from the left, you will do better than approaching from the right?

How do you know anything except the rack is low on chips?

ihate17

Hey Ihate, when does the new monthly CBJN come out? I want the most current one possible for my trip.

Thx,
Knox

Make sure the ashtrays are full to! lol

Dude this is the Voodoo forum remember, look its not fool proof, not even card counting is fool proof, its just a technique I like to use to spot tables where the dealer is possibly losing.

DC

That’s a very good point. We should all be a little more laid-back on this forum. After all, the voodoo players are what keep the rest of us in business. But does that make it a bad business practice to try to educate them?

-Sonny-

early next week probably

Might come out today but more often around the 5th.

Past vs future

DC
Let us say you are correct, and the table you spotted is one where the last several dealers have been losing. Unfortunately for you, that is history, that time is past and you should have been at that table back then.

Your play is in the future. The point here is what happened in the past (in this case) has no effect on what will happen in the future. If we could all bet on past outcomes there would be no place in the world to bet.

Now past results do mean something to cardcounters. Not past wins or loses but what cards were removed from the shoe on past hands, but past results to non counters have no meaning.

You are saying, that table has been dumping chips and will continue to do so.
The next guy, who looks at the same thing might say, that table has been dumping chips and is due to start taking them back.
The advantage player will not care because he knows it has no effect on future results, instead he will look for good pen and other conditions and if backcounting, will enter on a positive count.

ihate17

Win every time you play

When I find a table low in chips, I circle the area three times, then approaching from the left I hand the PB my player's card with my left hand while plopping a thousand dollars on the table with my right hand. I sit very erect, move away any ashtrays or other trash, clear my mind and begin with a bet two times the minimum bet. If I win three times in a row, I cross myself three times and kiss my miraculous medal. Each time I win three in a row I do the same. I never double my original $1,000, but withdraw from the table just before, say at $990 profit. It is a secret known by few but experienced by many that if you try to double your BR, or if you are losing and try to just get even, you will go broke if you do not stop just before you reach your goal. So don't get greedy and do as I say and you will always win no matter what. I could sell these tips for thousands of dollars, but I know that bad things would happen for demonstrating such greed. I am content with always winning just enough. Try my system. It can't lose. If you want to share some of your winnings, you can reach me here on the forum. And you don't have to be Catholic. The medal will work for anyone. (As long as you are living a righteous life and have no bitterness toward anyone.)

Not on a public board

Aslan
Giving away this kind of great secret on a public board may result in new procedures that forbid the placing of buy ins on the table with the right hand. You may even be backed off before you can complete your third circle, as it is known that three complete circles will adjust the sacred Flow of the cards and make it favorable to he who has adjusted it.
You should be quietly selling your super system for thousands of dollars.

ihate17

Hey DC15! Don't get discouraged by the card-counters! They are a haughty bunch. :whip: My strategies work better than card counting and they require 1/100 of the effort! The card-counters will weep if I ever make my strategies public! Keep searching! The most important part to beating the casinos is to believe it is possible, then keep trying until you find the way.

This is great for sure! What you need to do is track your bankroll and see how it stacks up. Anyone can suggest anything. It is the money in your pocket that confirms if something works or not. If you don't track your bankroll then you are wasting your time.

But a full chip tray could mean the same thing! It could mean that the table just had a fill (possibly because all of the previous players won all the chips!), or that not many people have played at that table yet, or that 20 people won but 1 high roller lost it all, or that comp hustlers are trying to churn markers, or any number of other reasons. Looking at the chip tray really doesn’t tell you anything. Patterson proved that years ago.

-Sonny-

Please do not make every common sense thing out to be impossible Sonny!

Sure, the chip tray may just have been filled. But what are the odds of that? How does one player lose at a table when everyone else is winning? I have yet to experience the phenomenon of one person at the table going on a horrible streak while everyone else is winning. And why would the high roller fill the small chips?

Simply put, if the dealer is getting lots of BlackJacks and 21s, get away from the table!!! If the dealer is busting and standing on low totals then STAY! Yes, it is quite common to see the players with smiles, large stacks of money and the chip tray low when the they are winning. My first strategy involved me jumping from table to table in order to avoid long losing streaks. In practice I never experienced as much losses as I did in computer testing, simply because I did not stay at a losing table. Regardless, my first strategy always returned my losses eventually, plus more. End of discussion.

I’m not. I’m just pointing out that there are many common sense reasons for the opposite to be true as well. If you’re going to base your decisions on common sense and not valid proof, you’d better at least look at all the options. You can’t just look at one small factor and call that common sense. You need to look at all factors and see the big picture. As you say, you have to go with the odds. That’s part of using common sense.

But, even assuming you’re right, if everyone who was at the table did win, why would you think that the winning would continue? I mean, the cards have been shuffled, the players have left, the dealer may have changed and the conditions are very different than before. Why would you think that a game where the house has the advantage would continue to favor the player for hours at a time? Where is the common sense in that?

Then you haven’t spent much time in a casino. It happens all the time. Some poor guy is getting stiff after stiff while the rest of the table is getting great hands. We've all seen it. I’m sure it’s even happened to you a few times.

Yup. Your strategy worked for one person for a little while. I guess that makes it undisputable proof. Empirical evidence once again trumps valid proof. You got me.

-Sonny-

Why do I think the winning will continue? I don't! I leave when the dealer starts showing BJs and 21s. Could the tide of the table turn back in my favor if I stayed? Sure! But I am not going to stick around to find out! I'll go find a table where the dealer is busting and standing on low totals. If that gets bad then off to another table! There were days that I could not find a good table no matter what I did. I remember being down around $200. I played for a good 10 hours. I left and went to another Casino. I jumped a few tables until I hit the gold mine! All my money back plus $40 or so profit. But that is how it goes. My average winnings would be about $200 a day playing $5 minimum bets on one spot.

The shuffling of cards is irrelevant! I sat beside a card counter the other day. He was sitting out of hands due to a poor count. I was getting 20's, a BJ and excellent Double Downs and I made a heap while he sat out until the end of the shoe. Then of course he starts at the table minimum at the beginning of the next shoe. Myself? My bets were still high. Streaks run from shoe to shoe to shoe to shoe.

Sorry man. I can't agree. Part of my first strategy was to open a second betting circle when possible at times when things were beginning to appear favorable. I would have the same success in both circles.

I didn't quit my job to do this full-time without adequate testing!!! Over many hundreds of thousands of hands that I tested, it has never failed.