Online Blackjack cheater

[madattocs]

Hi all,
How are u? Im new to the forum and i was wondering if anyone has seen the web sit blackjack2win.com. Has anyone actually tried this software? It sounds to good to be true and i cant seem to find anyone, anywhere that has used it. The product is called "online Blackjack Cheater" and it makes some pretty outragous earning potential claims so if anyone has heard of it or has seen a review or used it can u let me know and tell me if its all it's cracked up to be.

Thankyou
Adam

[KenSmith]

I guess I'll never know what kind of snake oil this is, since the website is useless, and I'm not giving these guys my name and email address.

A few points... Blackjack games on the Internet with a player advantage are rare, and the edge is very small. You're definitely not going to make $250,000 by playing straight blackjack online. If you're going to play for bonuses instead (which could theoretically yield a quarter million if you're relentless about playing every deal out there), why do you need software? I guess automating the play would take the drudgery out of the process, but is that really that big a deal?

Sounds worthless to me.

[DIXO]

I just got an E-Mail from Jack X with the link to the sofware sales pitch, and it seems like a lot of airey hype. I'm actually averaging more than they say their system earns using a "no-brainer" method I've come up with over the past 4 months, so don't waste your money. And I'll give it to you for free. I've since seen a version of it on betting-systems.ws. I'm not a mathematician, but it's comforting to know someone else had discovered it too. It's called the D'Alembert system. Very simple, add one unit to your bet for each hand you lose, and subtract one unit from your bet each time you win. What I came up with is modified just a bit on how the wager is placed when I get close to my target, plus I set a stop loss. The description on the website says " You'd better set limits or you'll find yourself in outer space some day" and they are right. So, here's how I use this system.
1. Start with $1,000 and $1 or $2 units for your wager. If I'm using $1, I set my stop loss at -$100, then stop for a while if I reach it. That means the cards are running pretty heavily in the house's favor. If I'm using $2, I set my stop loss at -$400. I RARELY ever hit my stop loss. If I'm using $5, I set my stop loss at -$2,000, $10 at $5,000 and so on.
2. Set your target profit per round at whatever your unit bet is, or whatever you feel comfortable with after you have used this system for a while. Sometimes I'll set my target profit at 5X unit bet size. So, if I'm using $1's, the target is $5 per round. If I'm using $2's, target profit is $10. Of course, you can set your target profit at whatever you want it to be but you might find yourself wagering $50 and $60 hands in a losing streak and your bankroll will come down pretty fast. If you happen to have a $10,000 bankroll, it's no big deal since you will eventually make your target profit. You need to set you stop loss compatible with whatever your unit bet is. Experience will take care of that.
3. During the round, if my wager becomes more than my target, I reduce the wager to meet the target. For instance, lets say I've made $50 and my new target is $60. Lets say my wager is up to $9 (I've lost several hands) and my balance is $49. I win that bet, and my balance is now at $58. Since I won, my next wager would theoretically be $8, BUT since I only need $2 to meet my target, I reduce my bet to $2. If I lose, my balance is $56 and my next wager is $3. If I win, my balance is now $59 so I reduce my bet to $1. If I win, I've reached my target. My new target is $70, and I start over with $1.
I think you'll be amazed at how fast you can earn $100 on $1 bets!!!
4. Here's why I think this works so well. I use the autoplay function on Casino's that use Microgaming software (like Blackjack Ballroom and Challenge Casino). There are many out there, but these two are definitely my favorite. Their strategy tables are the best that you can find anywhere. I typically play only Atlantic City BJ and Spanish BJ. The Autoplay function ELIMINATES any mistakes you could make. And the strategy tables are not "skewed" in any way to give the house an advantage. You can prove it to yourself by running a few thousand hands in autoplay mode with $1 bets (logged in as guest of course). After a few thousand hands, you'll see that the account balance is within $5, $10, or $20 or so of your original starting balance of $1000. That's pretty fair.
Since any mistakes are ELIMINATED by using autoplay, the KEY to winning is the betting method. Oscars method works pretty well too and always wins, but drawdown is too big for my comfort and it takes longer to win a few thousand than with my method.
5. In a nutshell, here's my typical sequence of play. First, I log in as guest and run 500 hands through autoplay (set time between hands at 0 seconds), just to see how the cards are running. It takes about 5 minutes but it's worth it. If the cards are running crappy, I wait an hour or so. If they are running "normal" then it's time to play.
1. Log into Real account. (Get a guest account first to test this method and start with $1000). For $1 unit bets, have at least $1,000 balance in your account. You can still make it on $500 but if you just happen to pick two losing sessions in a row, you will be down to $300, and that's way too close for comfort!
2. Load Atlantic City BJ or Spanish BJ.
3. Click on Expert Mode, and Autoplay.
4. Set Autoplay to 1 hand.
5. Set your round target ($5 or $10 or whatever) ** The smaller your target, the easier it is to reach it, but it will take longer to make your Daily target (mine is usually $500 and takes about 2-3 hours using $1 bets. *** CRITICAL..... SET YOUR STOP LOSS AND STICK TO IT!!!! You will STILL get losing streaks of 7,8,9 or more, but with autoplay, it won't be because of a wrong decision or mistake when playing the hand. If the cards are running bad, you want to stop playing no matter what system you use. There will still be plenty of time to win.
WRITE your target down on a piece of paper. If you get into a long losing streak you will need it there to remember what it was when you get close to it again.
6. Bet 1 unit. Click Autoplay, Start. It will play the hand for you. If you lose, add one unit. If you win, you can't subtract a unit since you are already at the 1 unit bet level, so just Autoplay, Start again. Play (as described above) until you reach your target, set your new target and start with 1 unit bet again.

As your bankroll builds, you will be tempted to increase your unit bet size. Slow and steady will get you the income you want. After all, $500 a day is around $15,000 a month, or $180,000 a year. Yes, you can easily make $1,000 a day on $1 bets, but I encourage all of you to wait until your bankroll is at $10,000 before increasing your unit bet size to $10. There are many reasons for keeping your earnings down to a reasonable level, and those should be intuitive.

Hope that helps some of you gals and guys out there. It's a bit boring and won't give you the adrenalin rush like when you're "gambling" but you sure can make some money with it!! My system may be free, but it's priceless!!
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[ScottH]

Originally Posted by DIXO

My system may be free, but it's priceless!!
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You may not know it yet, but the word priceless here is interchangable with "worthless".

[DIXO]

Yes, I guess I just don't know it yet. Perhaps it will catch up with me over time, somehow, but I just can't forsee that happening as long as I don't violate my own stop loss rules. I can tell you haven't tested it yet, or you wouldn't have the opinion you do. Either way, I wish you the best of luck in however you chose to play.

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by Dixo

The Autoplay function ELIMINATES any mistakes you could make. And the strategy tables are not "skewed" in any way to give the house an advantage. You can prove it to yourself by running a few thousand hands in autoplay mode with $1 bets (logged in as guest of course). After a few thousand hands, you'll see that the account balance is within $5, $10, or $20 or so of your original starting balance of $1000. That's pretty fair.

I'll bet that that 5, 10, 02 20 dollars you are away from 1000 is in the negative direction. If you are playing a game that always has you playing at a disadvantage, how do you expect to win by changing your bets in any way? Increasing your bet after a loss does not change the house edge any. If you can't change the house edge, in the long run you will lose.

If you could make 500 dollars everyday all the time playing online blackjack, everyone would do it and casinos would have to change the rules or remove blackjack. There is a reason they still have blackjack, and it's not because noone has "discovered' your system before.

Just trying to help. Feel free to check back with us in a year and let us know if you made your 180,000.

[DIXO]

Originally Posted by ScottH

I'll bet that that 5, 10, 02 20 dollars you are away from 1000 is in the negative direction. If you are playing a game that always has you playing at a disadvantage, how do you expect to win by changing your bets in any way? Increasing your bet after a loss does not change the house edge any. If you can't change the house edge, in the long run you will lose.

If you could make 500 dollars everyday all the time playing online blackjack, everyone would do it and casinos would have to change the rules or remove blackjack. There is a reason they still have blackjack, and it's not because noone has "discovered' your system before.

Just trying to help. Feel free to check back with us in a year and let us know if you made your 180,000.

I know the "tone" of an e-mail or post can be misunderstood, but your's sure seems sarcastic. Are you not making the income you think you should be or something? If you are really trying to "help", thanks. If you are just being sarcastic, then let's end this post now. I guess another reason they still have Blackjack is that counting cards isn't having much of an impact either, eh?

To your question: "If you are playing a game that always has you playing at a disadvantage, how do you expect to win by changing your bets in any way? Increasing your bet after a loss does not change the house edge any."

Don't you as a counter expect to win by changing your bets when the count is in your favor? Isn't this how you expect to overcome the disadvantage you face when playing the game that has you always playing at a disadvantage? By changing your bet? I do the same thing only using a different criteria. I place my wagers in the place that they are most likely to win, just as you do.

I'm not trying to force anyone to use this, nor am I discounting anyone who plays with some other technique. I just wanted to share what's been working for me consistently for several months now. If counting is pulling in you the money you want, great. Maybe we could have compared yearly earnings in another 10 months..... but,

Now that all the casino's are closing my accounts (US Bill) I guess it doesn't matter much anyway.
Best of luck to you.

[Preston]

no offense..

but your "system" seems more based upon "gut feelings" and "instinct"

counting is based on math.

i think i'll sitck with math.

[ScottH]

Originally Posted by DIXO

I place my wagers in the place that they are most likely to win, just as you do.

If you aren't counting cards then you don't know when your bets are more likely to win. Losing 5 hands in a row does not make it any more likely that your 6th hand will win.

But you won't listen to this good advice until it's too late. I always feel like I'm wasting my time responding to these types of posts. I try knock down the faulty system, but noone ever listens because it is working for them...for now...

[DIXO]

Preston,
No offense taken! This "system" (a modified D'Alelmbert) eliminates any gut feel or instincts. Every decision is pre-determined. I believe it is based on math too, but on the probability of streaks occuring rather than on a deck count. But it's the same thing. In counting (as you already know), the more small cards that are removed from the deck, the higher the count, and the higher the probability that the player (or dealer) will receive a high card. Same with streaks. Simply assign a +1 to a losing streak of 3, +2 to a losing streak of 4, etc... and the higher the count, the more likely it is a winning streak will follow. Just as the count in a deck will eventually come back to 0, the count for streaks will have to come back to 0. I don't actually keep a "streak count" but the math basis is the same as it is in deck count. This "system" is strictly for online play. I had to come up with something since counting doesn't work online. I don't live anywhere near a casino, and I have no idea if this would work in land based play. If it did, it would be mighty slow. If I were playing land based, I would definitely be counting and forget about this online "system". But... it's been working about 2 months now. I'm averaging about 2 losing sessions out of every 10, which is between 2 and 4 hours of play. (But not anymore, as I said in a previous post, due to the recent Bill on Internet Gaming Law Enforcement).

Scot,
I appreciate your advice, and you aren't wasting your time. I'm not ignoring or discounting what you say, it's just that I already know, or have seen it before. I've been on the earth quite a while now. However, someone new to BJ might read your post and learn, so you definitely aren't wasting your time. Not only that, you might come up with something I haven't considered before. I KNOW you are trying to keep me from losing, and that your intentions are only the best.
Sorry if I miscommunicated, but this "system" is ONLY for online play. Counting doesn't work online since the deck is shuffled after each hand. The heavier bets are placed (automatically, by adding one each loss) so that they are in place when a losing streak ends and winning streak begins. Conversley, by subtracting one unit each win, the lower best are in place when the winning streak ends and the losing streak begins. That's how I know where to place the bets, and in actual play, the "system" automatically takes care of that. The profits come from these winning streaks when the heavier bets are in place via DD, Splits, and BJs. Autoplay takes care of the bets when in DD, and Split situations. No chance for me to make a mistake on my own. Previous losing hands are made up as the bet size approaches the original bet during the winning streaks. You can win many less hands than you lose and still profit.
Believe me, if I were playing in a land based casino, I'd be counting. Since I'm nowhere near a casino, online is (was) my only option.
The only thing is ask is for you to be fair in your evaluation of this "faulty" system. I've played every progression system out there trying to find a good online stragegy through thousands of hands and EVERY SINGLE ONE has busted fairly quickly (within an hour to a few days) starting with $10K and $1, or $10 unit size. Even Oscar. I would call every one of these Faulty systems. That INCLUDES the D'Alembert system.
This modified D'Alembert is the only one that has withstood the test of time so far and I've never been able to get it to bust out, real or sim play. I could give you quite a bit more performance facts about this thing, but I believe your mind is already made up. If you don't play online, then we wouldn't be talking the same set of rules anyway. If you are playing land based, I'm in agreement 100% that counting is the only way to go. Since I've already made many times over what I started with, I guess I should be happy with how it's performed over the past two months. IF I ever get to play online again, I'm still open for that future date when we can compare our yearly earnings!!
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