Mindplay 21 bankrupt!

[Cardcounter]

The mindplay company has gone bankrupt and working with the system I can see why they went bankrupt. First of all mindplay slows down the game and secondly the machines constanly breakdown and need to be fixed to often. My machine has been down for weeks and will not even act as card checker. half of the counters it caught where disadvantage players which the casino and the dealers could make money from.

[bj bob]

Originally Posted by Cardcounter

The mindplay company has gone bankrupt and working with the system I can see why they went bankrupt. First of all mindplay slows down the game and secondly the machines constanly breakdown and need to be fixed to often. My machine has been down for weeks and will not even act as card checker. half of the counters it caught where disadvantage players which the casino and the dealers could make money from.

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[zengrifter]

The fundamental error in Mindplay is that it is optical-based. Similar RFID-based systems are NOT going away. zg

[Knox]

Widespread use of RFID technology could ruin counting. However, can they actually track chips in your pocket? They key here is getting the word out to noncounters also to boycott such places, or big brother will be well on his way to making sure no playable blackjack exists in the future. Seems like that would be bad for the game overall though, look at all the publicity counting has generated over the years...

[ihate17]

It never delievered what the greedy and paranoic buyers were told by the salesman.
Pits and eye personel quickly found out that the main purpose of Mindplay was to reduce those jobs. There have been rumors of sabatoge but other problems may have caused pits to just let it self destruct.
Breakdowns and slowdowns: The thing is slow, if it catches an amatuer cardcounter, that counter could never take off the table the amount they missed by not dealing as many hands as they could of.
Reduction of comps: Another main selling point of Mindplay is that it would track the exact amount a player bets. So throw Max Rubin's book away, you will get nothing extra on your bathroom break and less in fact because the game goes slower, but that will save the average player money money.

Most importantly: No one from Alliance Gaming or any of the casinos that bought their sizzle without steak, every considered the player. They just took it for granted that if they put it on the table the players would throw their money at it. Blackjack players, non AP's, do not like strange things on the table, CSM's and Mindplay fall into that category. They are superstitious and feel that somehow the house will use these devices to win more and sometimes they are correct. Also, some players actually figured out that the thing was cutting their comps or knew that their favorite pit who would put them down as a $50 bettor when they usually only bet $25, could no longer do this. So what happened, the players played elsewhere.

The casinos that bought into Mindplay lost, the company that sold it has now lost, and the casinos that picked off the old players from those casinos have won.

Finally, it is not over. The next generation of complete, all knowing, table game systems will soon hit the market. I do not know if they will work or not, but I do know the game between casino and player continues.

ihate17

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

The fundamental error in Mindplay is that it is optical-based. Similar RFID-based systems are NOT going away. zg

However RFID cannot count and order the cards in the shoe like Mindplay can.

Besides, being an RFID signal goes into 4*pi steradians it makes it really easy (and fun!) to fake out. Can't wait for an opportunity to try it.

[weavin42]

Originally Posted by Knox

Widespread use of RFID technology could ruin counting. However, can they actually track chips in your pocket? They key here is getting the word out to noncounters also to boycott such places, or big brother will be well on his way to making sure no playable blackjack exists in the future. Seems like that would be bad for the game overall though, look at all the publicity counting has generated over the years...

Maybe you could rat hole chips into one of these bad boys. RFID blocking billfold

I've never heard of these systems before, the place with the best conditions around me is supposed to be getting new tables...hopefully nothing like this!

[weavin42]

Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey

However RFID cannot count and order the cards in the shoe like Mindplay can.

Besides, being an RFID signal goes into 4*pi steradians it makes it really easy (and fun!) to fake out. Can't wait for an opportunity to try it.

Isn't 4*pi steradians just a complete sphere? Anyways, thinkgeek.com also has a RFID experimentation kit...

[Canceler]

Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey

Besides, being an RFID signal goes into 4*pi steradians it makes it really easy (and fun!) to fake out. Can't wait for an opportunity to try it.

You mean like holding a handful of chips against the bottom of the table under your spot?

[LVBear584]

Do you have a link or other specifics about the purported bankruptcy of any of the companies involved with the Mindplay cheating device?