Barred at Foxwood and Mohegun in the same night

Stoney

Active Member
#1
I [posted this as a reply to another post but it seemed to buried, so I'm reposting it as a new one.
Just need someone to reply, feeling a little bummed got barred (backed off last night)

Ive been playing for a year and a half a Foxwoods, every week. I usually play for about 6-8 hours at a clip, I started out with a 500 bankroll, and have got it up to about 7k, I also had to pay off my wife a few grand worth of winnings so I could keep going. With the bigger bankroll I've been betting more aggressivley latley and I guess it caught up with me. Last night I got backed of to one hand of $25 at Foxwoods so I went to Mohegun where I have played a few times. Within an hour and a half of walking in the door I got the same speech. The thing is the biggest spread I got at Mohegun was to go from $15 on one hand to 50 mabey 75 on two and I did that only once. I have to believe a call was placed, I've got 500 to 600 hours of play in the last year or so and have never been spoken to. Then to have it happen twice in one night??
Thing is, the conditions at Foxwoods were great that night, a $25 min table, which I have been starting to play with the bigger bankroll, cutting off just under one deck and heads up play to max of 2 other players at the table. I started at 10pm and by midnight I was up 1,400 and the night was early!! My max bet so far that evening was 3 hands of $125, I just didnt believe anyone was paying attention becuase I had played there so much and had never been bothered.
What do I do now?
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#2
Maybe a management change (or policy change) or maybe your winnings were flagged in their computer. Similar thing happened to me in AC (just one place) and I'm pretty sure it was that my winnings exceeded a certain threshold.

So, I've been ratholing more chips since then, and I could tell it was driving a PC crazy earlier this week, as he kept recounting the tray. Finally, one guy picked up a big stack of greens and left in disgust after a bad run, and the PC smiled as he had his victim to balance.
 
#4
I too have been barred at both shops. I have no doubt that I could play at both again without using my card. Sources at another site have told me this would be no problem. I choose not go there because of better games in AC, but will actually make a stop at foxwoods on my way to boston in a week.
 

Stoney

Active Member
#5
I think I will use a friends card who is not a counter and hasnt played in years. Can they do anything to me for that? Also I think I might try a disgusie any suggestions, do they work?
I have heard casion's use facial rec software, but I just dont believe it.

The count I use is a little dated (Ken Ustons Advanced plus minus). The card values are a little different than the norm 2, 8 and 9 are zero, 10-A minus one, 3-7 plus one, convert to a half deck true count and use a full matrix. Your supposed to split 10's at +3 or higher vs 4,5 and 6, but I just dont do it becuse it just attracts too much attention, but I will double with A9 vs 5 and 6 at +3 or better, which believe it or not dosent attract much attention and it has only occured 3 or 4 times in about 5 hundred hours of play. I know Im not current but its what I learned and am comfortable with (I can do it in my sleep) and after reading Million dollar blackjack, Uston just seemed like a guy to be listened to. Since I might be playing less I may work on learning Uston APC, but the ace adjustment factor and the different card values seem a little daunting and Im not crazy about the idea memorizing a whole new matrix

Any suggestions that can be offered as far as sneaking in would be appreciated, I never thought they would be paying any attention to me. I also play with a teammate who uses the same count, but we rarely play at the same table, we just pool our money and play to a combined bank so we can get better ratios.
 

Stoney

Active Member
#6
I think I will use a friends card who is not a counter and hasnt played in years. Can they do anything to me for that? Also I think I might try a disgusie any suggestions, do they work?
I have heard casion's use facial rec software, but I just dont believe it.

The count I use is a little dated (Ken Ustons Advanced plus minus). The card values are a little different than the norm 2, 8 and 9 are zero, 10-A minus one, 3-7 plus one, convert to a half deck true count and use a full matrix. Your supposed to split 10's at +3 or higher vs 4,5 and 6, but I just dont do it becuse it just attracts too much attention, but I will double with A9 vs 5 and 6 at +3 or better, which believe it or not dosent attract much attention and it has only occured 3 or 4 times in about 5 hundred hours of play. I know Im not current but its what I learned and am comfortable with (I can do it in my sleep) and after reading Million dollar blackjack, Uston just seemed like a guy to be listened to. Since I might be playing less I may work on learning Uston APC, but the ace adjustment factor and the different card values seem a little daunting and Im not crazy about the idea memorizing a whole new matrix

Any suggestions that can be offered as far as sneaking in would be appreciated, I never thought they would be paying any attention to me. I also play with a teammate who uses the same count, but we rarely play at the same table, we just pool our money and play to a combined bank so we can get better ratios.
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#7
There was a show on the Discovery Channel yesterday about casino security. They showed facial recognition software in action (in LV.) Impressive! Who knows if your local casino uses it?

Why use any card? Just play without one.
 
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