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Old August 22nd, 2007, 03:47 PM
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Hello in another thread I was asking about my EV for playing: 6D, DA2, DAS, NS, H17 with this betting strategy (I use Hi/Lo [still learning indices, ZG says to use 60 but haven't been able to find that anywhere ):

TC 0 = $3
TC 1 = $6
TC 2 = $6 + $6
TC 3 = $9 + $9
TC 4 = $15 + $15
TC 5 = $25 + $25

As you can see I really don't know what kind of bets I should be placing, I used to use Semyon Dukach's advice of (TC - 1) x unit = bet but was told that was too conservative, so if anyone could help that would be great.

Also sometimes I am only able to play one hand so how should I change my bet for that?

If anyone can run a sim to get my optimal betting strategy that would be awesome - I want to buy my own sim but what one should I get?

Is CVCX 4 the best one out there? Basically any advice would be greatly appreciated and if someone could point me to the best sim to buy for the money that would be very nice.

Thanks in advance!
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 11:11 AM
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bump - please help :X
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 12:16 PM
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I use Hi/Lo [still learning indices, ZG says to use 60 but haven't been able to find that anywhere
You can get the indices from Wong’s Professional Blackjack. The Illustrious 18 (the most valuable 18 indices) and Fab 4 (indices for surrender) are also listed in many books, and you could probably find them by searching this site.

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As you can see I really don't know what kind of bets I should be placing, I used to use Semyon Dukach's advice of (TC - 1) x unit = bet but was told that was too conservative, so if anyone could help that would be great.
A generic spread would be something like:

<+2 = $5
+2 = $10
+3 = $20
+4 = $40
>+4 = $60

You can find the results of other spreads for various games in Schlesinger’s Blackjack Attack. It has several chapters that discuss betting techniques and bet sizing. There are also some good articles on the Gamemaster website.

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Also sometimes I am only able to play one hand so how should I change my bet for that?
To calculate your one-handed bet, just divide your two-handed bet by 0.57. If you normally play two hands of $25 then you can switch that to one hands of $25 / 0.57 = $43.86 (or round down to $40). It will lower your EV a bit but your ROR will stay the same.

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If anyone can run a sim to get my optimal betting strategy that would be awesome - I want to buy my own sim but what one should I get?
I’ve used Blackjack 678 and CVData. Both are good but the CV software is much more in depth. CVCX is also a great product that probably has all the features most players need and costs less than CVData. You can compare the two here:

http://www.qfit.com/card-counting-bl....htm#blackjack

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Old August 24th, 2007, 12:04 AM
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thanks a lot for the response Sonny, I really appreciate it.

Also, for the bet spread should that be spread out over 2 hands?

For example the max bet of $60 should be 2 hands of $30?

I'll read up on the links you gave me and will hopefully purchase some books in the near future to read up on.

On a side note I won a poker tournament at my casino today, $25 buy-in and I rebought for $20 once, but walked away with $385 when the last 4 of us chopped the pot :D
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Old August 24th, 2007, 10:58 AM
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Also, for the bet spread should that be spread out over 2 hands?

For example the max bet of $60 should be 2 hands of $30?
A one hand bet of $60 would become two hands of $60 * .73 = $43.8. Three hands would be $60 * .57 = $34.2 each. In practice you would probably want to round those down to 2x$40 and 3x$30. As you can see, playing multiple hands is a good way to get more money on the table and increase your EV without adding any risk. In fact, you are lowering your risk since you are rounding those numbers down.

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Old August 24th, 2007, 12:14 PM
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A one hand bet of $60 would become two hands of $60 * .73 = $43.8. Three hands would be $60 * .57 = $34.2 each. In practice you would probably want to round those down to 2x$40 and 3x$30. As you can see, playing multiple hands is a good way to get more money on the table and increase your EV without adding any risk. In fact, you are lowering your risk since you are rounding those numbers down.

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Old August 24th, 2007, 12:59 PM
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yeah that is pretty much amazing, and thanks again for all the help, and I plan on purchasing CVCX 4!
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Old August 24th, 2007, 02:52 PM
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[still learning indices, ZG says to use 60 but haven't been able to find that anywhere ):
http://www.proficientblackjack.com/a.../counthilo.htm

This table is for H17. For 6D you can ignore all the negative indices (and replace them all by "switch tables!" )
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Old August 24th, 2007, 08:05 PM
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lol good call, and thanks for the link, I've been starting to wong lately after seeing everyone talk about it, so thats what I will continue doing
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Old August 25th, 2007, 11:35 AM
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Okay last question of the thread hopefully:

For the above betting strategy how much should I bring with me to the casino each time? Does the CVCX sim tell you that or how should one figure out how much to bring?

Thanks a lot for any help, and sorry about all the questions :/
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