Hi-Lo good for flat bet wonging?

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

i dont have the bankroll to alter my bets with the count, so i was thinking of just doing something simple to lower the house edge (.45%).. only play when the running count is positive, flat bet $10, and use a few indexes based on a loose true count.. i think on average i would be playing at around half the house edge, which would be fine with me.. any thots?

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by SilentBob420BMFJ

i dont have the bankroll to alter my bets with the count, so i was thinking of just doing something simple to lower the house edge (.45%).. only play when the running count is positive, flat bet $10, and use a few indexes based on a loose true count.. i think on average i would be playing at around half the house edge, which would be fine with me.. any thots?

Someone, anyone, please, please tell me I can give my thoughts on this despite being on bob's ignore list.

If not, at least tell him I think's it's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Just the way I always envisioned how a vast knowledge of math and probability should be applied.

Finally, at last, exactly what the world's been so long waiting for, a way to lose all ur money in twice the time it usually takes and still be "fine" with it.

When that book comes out, I'm buying it.

[Sonny]

Hi-Lo is a great cout to use for backcounting. If you can avoid all counts where you are at a disadvantage then you can get a tiny advantage by flat betting. You will also have a much smaller chance of losing all your money.

-Sonny-

[moo321]

You should wait until a little above +2 TC, wong in and flat-bet, and wong out when the count drops to 0. You'll have an edge, and it fits your bankroll. I'm assuming this is completely a leisure activity, and you're not hoping to earn any sort of money from this?

[sagefr0g]

wouldn't the degree of advantage gleaned from flat betting when wonging into an positive count depend upon how many units the wager made is in relation to the bankroll ie. the hypothetical unit one would bet if one was playing all where the count was zero or negative? i guess what i'm trying to say is that the flat bet could be considered a bet spread therefore if done properly according to the count could yield a significant advantage.

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

Originally Posted by moo321

You should wait until a little above +2 TC, wong in and flat-bet, and wong out when the count drops to 0. You'll have an edge, and it fits your bankroll. I'm assuming this is completely a leisure activity, and you're not hoping to earn any sort of money from this?

i think thats the main problem with all gamblers, is that they are looking to make money.. it is a hobby, and you should be having fun, therefor gambling should be coming out of your entertainment money, and your first goal when you start counting is to break even, thus getting entertainment for free, which is what i am doing.. i think too many people skip this step, and think, i only have $2000, but im going to be making money so it doesnt matter if i bet $10-$100 spread! im gonna have $5000 in no time.. instead of thinking about breaking even and RoR.. i dont want to sit out more than 55% of the time tho.. i have found out that no, hi-lo is not good for flat betting, and that i need to find another system.. nobody seems to know the answer, except this 1 guy who recommended a 3 lvl count which is too complex for me.. im thinking that since insurance is the most profitable index (along with standing on 16 vs 10), i was thinking that maybe i could find a count that is good for insurance and maybe a couple other index moves, but most importantly, it also has to be good at wonging (pivot point)

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by SilentBob420BMFJ

i dont want to sit out more than 55% of the time tho..

Then you won’t be playing a break even game no matter what card counting system you use. If you are trying to limit your losses then play as slowly as you can, flat bet the minimum and leave the table often. Take advantage of any promotions you can and try to get some comps in return for your play. If you want to play with an advantage then you will either need to play more aggressively or find better games.

-Sonny-

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Then you won’t be playing a break even game no matter what card counting system you use. If you are trying to limit your losses then play as slowly as you can, flat bet the minimum and leave the table often. Take advantage of any promotions you can and try to get some comps in return for your play. If you want to play with an advantage then you will either need to play more aggressively or find better games.

-Sonny-

if i play only when the RUNNING count is positive (that way i will be playing almost half of all hands), use the insurance and a few other indexes, and get comps, are you saying that i still wont be even? well the house edge is .43% on the 6 deck game i play, so how low will i bet able to get it to? at least in half i would think

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by SilentBob420BMFJ

if i play only when the RUNNING count is positive (that way i will be playing almost half of all hands), use the insurance and a few other indexes, and get comps, are you saying that i still wont be even?

You would probably be playing a losing game from card counting but the comps might give you an advantage if you can max them out.

-Sonny-

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

my thot is that just because your still playing a losing game, doesnt mean that counting is pointless.. if you can cut the house edge in half, its worth it