doug grant

[rich edwards]

about 20 years ago i took a black jack course from a guy by the of Doug Grant, his concept was different from anything else i've ever seen. Anyone else familiar with him?

[KenSmith]

Oh boy, I haven't heard that name in a long time. Way back in the early days of the Internet, he was the scourge of the blackjack discussion groups on Usenet, posting hundreds of messages a day, flaming anyone who claimed that card counting was a winning idea.

I understand that he was a counter, and taught counting to many students. If I recall correctly, he was involved in some unsuccessful lawsuits against casinos, and I don't know what happened after that.

[rich edwards]

Doug grant definitely taught counting and more. Some of his basic ideas were to play 2 hands, spread wagers from 1 to 16 units, divide the shoe into 3 zones(true counts) but he differed from anyone else in that your big bets were based on the way the dealer busted on the previous hand, he called them a type A or B bust. Anyway the reason why I asked is that i've tried to find his literature and he seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. If anyone has his worksheets a response would be appreciated.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by rich edwards

Doug grant definitely taught counting and more. Some of his basic ideas were to play 2 hands, spread wagers from 1 to 16 units, divide the shoe into 3 zones(true counts) but he differed from anyone else in that your big bets were based on the way the dealer busted on the previous hand, he called them a type A or B bust. Anyway the reason why I asked is that i've tried to find his literature and he seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. If anyone has his worksheets a response would be appreciated.

Grant has reincarnated himself as CIPHER, here -

System Promoter of the Week
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=2042
Return of CIPHER!
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=4413

[QFIT]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

Grant has reincarnated himself as CIPHER, here -

System Promoter of the Week
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=2042
Return of CIPHER!
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=4413

Well put. Douggy (Douglas Grant von Reiman) having failed as a counter decided to make money by suing people. By people I mean everyone on every side. His lawyer was Howard Altschuler (201-768-6218.) He sued casinos and threatened to sue many authors including me repeatedly. (An equal opportunity pursuer.) I posted my name, real address, phone number and challenged him to sue me after he posted over 50 claims I was a fraud and I was both Stanford Wong and Arnold Snyder.

Should he still wish to take me to task; I am at his lawyer's mercy at:

Norman Wattenberger
100 United Nations Plaza
New York, NY 10017-1726
Toll-free # 800-498-2234

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by QFIT

Norman Wattenberger
100 United Nations Plaza
New York, NY 10017-1726
Toll-free # 800-498-2234

Is that near the Lucis Trust (formerly the Lucifer Trust)? zg

[QFIT]

Don't think so

[ortango]

The only Doug Grant I know is a writer for the show RED DWARF... and I know that can't be him. No Blackjack in the show, but there is a guy who is his own father, a hologram who is a total a-hole, a Cat who evolved to human form after 16 million years and an adroid with a vacuum attachment on his crotch. Good show if you didn't know

[dummo]

Originally Posted by rich edwards

Doug grant definitely taught counting and more. Some of his basic ideas were to play 2 hands, spread wagers from 1 to 16 units, divide the shoe into 3 zones(true counts) but he differed from anyone else in that your big bets were based on the way the dealer busted on the previous hand, he called them a type A or B bust. Anyway the reason why I asked is that i've tried to find his literature and he seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. If anyone has his worksheets a response would be appreciated.

I know that Doug Grant students are not supposed to reveal his method to others - so you most likely won't be able to find someone willing to share any of his literature.

[dacium]

I heard he teamed up with some guy called Don Laper or something and started selling get rich quick systems, lol

anyway he was around a earlier than 20 years ago! as recent as 2000 i believe he was still in court with this Doug Grant Inc. thing