Money found on the ground

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

OK I've been watching this forum for about a month now and looking for ways to enhance any kind of advantage. Or even just to find an advantage in any kind of game be it good or lousy. Like I've said before all the games in my local vicinity are just AWFUL. About the only half decent one (comparatively speaking) is Cache Creek, but even there the stinking 6:5 single deck rules. I play the six deck shoes there and do OK.

But that is a long ride so only go there every couple of months. The weekend insists upon a fifteen dollar min buy in so weekdays are better. It's a nice joint too. Again, a bit too far to go on my busy schedule.

So am "stuck" with these awful places with even money naturals, CSM's and such. Why do i go there? Well always with significant trepidation but besides that I've just been a lucky dog. Have never, not even once lost any money.

So here I am earlier this evening playing this dive going down and up. Shoot had my naturals paid 3:2 I'd have killed the joint. My luck was THAT good.

Well the guy next to me is stupid and doing idiotic things like hitting his 13 against dealers 6. Or hitting his 15 against dealers 2! Well after a few ups and downs I'm up about a hundred fifty. This guy on my right puts up $100.00 gets a ten against dealers 6 but won't double. I mean like WTF!?

If he had the $100.00 and was willing to lose all of it why not double it?

So I ask the dealer if I'm allowed to double my neighbors bet and she says yes. He doesn't mind either. OK I'd have preferred that the deuce didn't hit but since dealer pulls a twenty six it didn't matter.

Money found on the ground as far as I'm concerned.

So I'd like to hear how other people profit off of these kinds of bad players. Seems like another game into itself. You guys have discussed the matter before but now I'm watching for other tips.

Initiative and creativity. It's what made America great. Or at least it used to.

[zengrifter]

ZG Interview page-11. zg

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

ZG Interview page-11. zg

A game within a game eh? Interesting.

Now about that splitting tens with the ploppie on his last set of chips. If he loses one and you win the other do you "insure" him by covering his loss? Effectively turning it into a push for both players?

And you're dead on accurate about splitting tens: The other players leave quicker than if someone farted big. I did that earlier tonight for no particular reason. There was no advantage condition as it was all with the awful CSM's. I just felt like doing it,

Anyway two hands later I'm playing the dealer one on one. Everyone went for drinks. Later when they came back i was up $150.00 and then $300.00 and called it quits.

I gotta quit playing that joint though. Nothing but a gamble save and except for those "Money found on the ground" opportunities. While "lucky is better than good" I refuse to continue to push my luck.

[Automatic Monkey]

Most of us have played that game within a game and it's both profitable and enjoyable.

One thing I won't do that some other AP's will is screw a civilian by getting them to make a bad play so you can get in on it and profit yourself. But there are a lot of opportunities where you can both profit yourself and give someone a Basic Strategy lesson, and those are the ones I enjoy the most.

You've got to be careful though, lots of these people have the gambling sickness and ethical problems, and they'll take shots and there isn't too much you can do about it if they do. Pretending they didn't understand the terms of the deal is how they usually do it, then there are the blackmail situations like are being discussed in another thread. Avoid hand interaction with anyone who looks like they might be drunk, high, angry or desperate, or who isn't fluent in English.

Where do you live? There might be some better games available than Cache Creek.

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

Bay area, CA.

If I had time would check out Tahoe and Reno. Business has me too busy lately.

From what I know your basic places are River Rock Casino, Jackson Rancheria and Cache Creek. Probably one in the South Bay too but can't remember the name.

Cache Creek is where a guy has a fighting chance. they have decent penetration on six decks. Splits allowed and double any card. I forget some of the other rules. Not sure if there is double after split.

River Rock is mostly CSM's but a few tables have the six deck manual shuffle. However they only use about half the deck. Never the less I really scored big once on a high running count (plus 21), but how often is that gonna happen?

Yeah that was where i split queens against dealers six card. While I received the two worst hands in return (16 & 15) the dealer went bust, Matter of fact had I not split the queens the whole table would have lost including my twenty. Dealer's hole card was a nine: He got another nine and busted But if I didn't split the queens? Well 9 + 6 + 6 = 21...

I've never been to Jackson Rancheria. Nor that one out by Sacto called "Thunder" something.

Otherwise the pickins are even slimmer here. Just a few card rooms with very bad rules. Most manually shuffled deck rooms have a one dollar payment per hand unless you bet over a hundred. That and wild cards which screw up even the best of counts.

[Automatic Monkey]

You also have a very playable game at Twin Pines up in Middletown. In fact, it's so playable I've played it! It's the dinkiest, most low-budget place you've ever seen, in a tent more or less. There's a 6D H17 RSA game up there, deeply dealt. Sometimes you can get deep pen at their lone DD table too.

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

you really wanna get into this? i posted a thread with a title something like "doubling down for less strategy", and i was confused at the time, but it spawned from this insane article, or moreso chart.. http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...vengerbjfo.pdf
that is a very good read if you are looking to do more than just grab obvious hands from idiot players

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

one of the few problems with scavengering (i think i made up a word), is what if a guy lets you double his hand, but you draw a 2, and the guy is like damn i wanted to hit again, you should throw me a chip.. what do you do? say no and start a fight and he wont let you double again? how quickly are you able to do the math to figure out how much to give him and if he will be happy?

[toastblows]

one time at the Mirage, my brother is standing at a cage to cash up and he sees a black chip on the ground.... truly "money found on the ground". Seriously though it made him paranoid for some reason, so he waited a day to cash it in...

[aslan]

Originally Posted by SilentBob420BMFJ

one of the few problems with scavengering (i think i made up a word), is what if a guy lets you double his hand, but you draw a 2, and the guy is like damn i wanted to hit again, you should throw me a chip.. what do you do? say no and start a fight and he wont let you double again? how quickly are you able to do the math to figure out how much to give him and if he will be happy?

Where I play, once you double down, the dealer will not agree to throw you another card. It's a done deal. If the ploppy had not already agreed to go down for double, then the dealer would not have understood the deuce as a double down and you could not have won double even if the ploppy decided to stand. But my instant reaction was the same as yours, SB, because you just can't trust ploppies to do the right thing.