Hi-Opt II system

[DSky-]

I am trying to learn to use Hi-Opt II counting system with ace side counting but where can i get some info what spread should i use on different TC and when and what is the matter of different ace count, also what are the changes in the basic strategy in highly positive and highly negative counts?
thank you

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by DSky-

I am trying to learn to use Hi-Opt II counting system with ace side counting but where can i get some info what spread should i use on different TC and when and what is the matter of different ace count, also what are the changes in the basic strategy in highly positive and highly negative counts?

HO2 is OBSOLETE! Learn ZEN or Mentor or UBZ or ... zg

[DSky-]

so what it is obsolete?
i mean what is the difference if i use old or knew strategy, i know hi-opt II is very good thats why im learning it

[moo321]

No, it's fine. But it's primarily designed to be used on single and double deck, and it is a fairly difficult system to use. Not worth the trouble on shoes, but a very powerful system.

[DSky-]

i intend to play only 6d shoe games... so what is ur advice ? zen ?

[moo321]

My advice is Hi-lo or Red-7 if you have problems with deck conversions. Hi-lo is very simple, is used nearly universally by teams, and works well with other techniques, like shuffle tracking.

[DSky-]

i read about red-7 and hi-lo and hmm red-7 seems to be very good for multiple deck as u need only to make running count and not to convery anytime to tc..
and what are the pluses and minues of systems like zen, hi-lo, red-7 for 6d games not thinking which is the easies to learn and which is harder

[jack,jackson]

Heres a system i theoretically like, however its not practical in the real world casino enviroment!

Zen is about the best balanced count, that has the best overall balance for all aspects of casino conditions.(#of decks)etc......

             Primary     Secondary
     A         0           -4
     2         2
     3         3
     4         3                    BC .997
     5         4                    PE .68
     6         3                    IC .93
     7         2
     8         0
     9        -1
     X        -4             1

[DSky-]

and what about practical games?

[zengrifter]

Yes, ZEN or Mentor. zg