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October 28th, 2007, 09:29 PM
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Dealers Hole Card Strategy:
DealerHand**MH**MS**DH****DS***Split
** 2,2******14**18**10,11********A,7,8
** 2,3******13**18**10,11********A-3,6-9
** 2,4******12**18**9-11**17,18**A-3,6-9
**3,3******12**18**8-11**13-19**A-4,6-9
** 2,5*****17**18**10-11********A-3,7,8
** 3,4*****17**18**9-11*********A-3,7,8
**2,6*****17**18**10,11*********A,7-9
**3,5*****17**18**10,11*********A-3,7-9
**4,4*****17**18**10,11*********A-3,7-9
**2,7*****17**19**10,11*********A,8,9
** 3,6*****17**19**10,11*********A,8,9
**4,5*****16**19**10,11*********A,8,9
** 2,8*****16**19**11************A,8
**3,7*****16**19**11************A,
** 5,5*****16**19**11************A,
**4,6*****17**19**11************A,
**2,9*****16**18****************A,
** 3,8*****15**18****************A,
**4,7*****14**18****************A,
** 5,6*****14**19****************A,
**2,10****12**18**8-11**13-19**A-4,6-9
**3,9*****12**18**8-11**13-19**A-4,6-9
** 4,8*****12**18**8-11**13-19**A-4,6-9
**5,7*****12**18**8-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
** 6,6*****12**18**8-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
DealerHand**MH**MS**DH****DS***Split
**H13*****12**18**7-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
**H14*****12**18**5-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
**H15*****12**18**5-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
**H16*****12**18**5-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
**H17*****17**18**************2,3,6-8
**8,10*****17**19**************2,3,7-9
**9,9******17**19**************3,6-9
**9,10*****17**19***************9,
*10,10*****17**20*******************
**A,A******16**18**11***********A,8
**A,2******15**18**10,11********A,7,8
**A,3******14**18**10,11********A,7,8
**A,4******13**18**10,11********A,2,6-9
**A,5******13**18**9-11**17,18**A-3,6-9
**A,6******17**18**************A-3,6-8
**A,7******17**19**************2,3,7-9
**A,8******17**19***************9,
**A,9******17**20******************
MH=is the players minimum hard standing total
MS=is the players minumum soft standing total
DH=Double hard
DS=Double soft
H=HARD
Last edited by jack,jackson; October 29th, 2007 at 04:39 AM.
Reason: Should Not H17 or Higher
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October 28th, 2007, 09:50 PM
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Thank you. Should remove all plays that hit hard-17 or higher and consolidate it a bit.
Also, cite source. zg
Last edited by zengrifter; October 28th, 2007 at 10:21 PM.
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October 29th, 2007, 04:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zengrifter
Thank you. Should remove all plays that hit hard-17 or higher and consolidate it a bit.
Also, cite source. zg
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All plays that require hitting Hard 17 or higher, have been removed! Ill try to get around and consolidate it a little better, as soon as I figure out a convenient and better way
Source: BJFB/Bryce Carlson.P180, #of Decks,Rules in play,N/A
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October 29th, 2007, 07:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jack,jackson
DealerHand**MH**MS**DH****DS***Split
** 2,2******14**18**10,11********A,7,8
** 2,3******13**18**10,11********A-3,6-9
** 2,4******12**18**9-11**17,18**A-3,6-9
**3,3******12**18**8-11**13-19**A-4,6-9
** 2,5*****17**18**10-11********A-3,7,8
** 3,4*****17**18**9-11*********A-3,7,8
**2,6*****17**18**10,11*********A,7-9
**3,5*****17**18**10,11*********A-3,7-9
**4,4*****17**18**10,11*********A-3,7-9
**2,7*****17**19**10,11*********A,8,9
** 3,6*****17**19**10,11*********A,8,9
**4,5*****16**19**10,11*********A,8,9
** 2,8*****16**19**11************A,8
**3,7*****16**19**11************A,
** 5,5*****16**19**11************A,
**4,6*****17**19**11************A,
**2,9*****16**18****************A,
** 3,8*****15**18****************A,
**4,7*****14**18****************A,
** 5,6*****14**19****************A,
**2,10****12**18**8-11**13-19**A-4,6-9
**3,9*****12**18**8-11**13-19**A-4,6-9
** 4,8*****12**18**8-11**13-19**A-4,6-9
**5,7*****12**18**8-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
** 6,6*****12**18**8-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
DealerHand**MH**MS**DH****DS***Split
**H13*****12**18**7-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
**H14*****12**18**5-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
**H15*****12**18**5-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
**H16*****12**18**5-11**13-20**A-4,6-10
**H17*****17**18**************2,3,6-8
**8,10*****17**19**************2,3,7-9
**9,9******17**19**************3,6-9
**9,10*****17**19***************9,
*10,10*****17**20*******************
**A,A******16**18**11***********A,8
**A,2******15**18**10,11********A,7,8
**A,3******14**18**10,11********A,7,8
**A,4******13**18**10,11********A,2,6-9
**A,5******13**18**9-11**17,18**A-3,6-9
**A,6******17**18**************A-3,6-8
**A,7******17**19**************2,3,7-9
**A,8******17**19***************9,
**A,9******17**20******************
MH=is the players minimum hard standing total
MS=is the players minumum soft standing total
DH=Double hard
DS=Double soft
H=HARD
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How many decks? What rules? Guessing I'd say single-deck S-17. A few plays look strange:
No soft doubling against a dealer 5 nor doubling of 9...
double 9 vs a 7
double soft 17,18 against a dealer soft 16 seems aggressive but might be ok.
BW
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October 29th, 2007, 10:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock Windsor
How many decks? What rules?
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Any #decks, any standard rules. zg
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October 29th, 2007, 04:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zengrifter
Any #decks, any standard rules. zg
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Some small discrepencies w/Grosjean's matrices then.
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October 29th, 2007, 07:33 PM
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I disconcur to the removal of H17 or Higher!
You people don't listen do you? It's obvious that if you stay at this
level of mentalism citing that "17" is the way to stay, then I wish to
revoke my membership to this board, because I have stated countless
times to go beyond what you feel is your "limitations." There are times
when you need to go beyond "H17," or even "18." It seems like everyone
likes to refute what I have to say, without even trying to jump into a new
idea or thought. Carry on with your limited ideas without further ado.
And Best Of Luck To You!
J*Star
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October 30th, 2007, 03:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JStarZid1
You people don't listen do you? It's obvious that if you stay at this
level of mentalism citing that "17" is the way to stay, then I wish to
revoke my membership to this board, because I have stated countless
times to go beyond what you feel is your "limitations." There are times
when you need to go beyond "H17," or even "18." It seems like everyone
likes to refute what I have to say, without even trying to jump into a new
idea or thought. Carry on with your limited ideas without further ado.
And Best Of Luck To You!
J*Star
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Sorry you feel that way Jstar. Maybe we could bring it back by popular demand. I think hitting H17 or H18 would be a little obvious, not to mention greedy. I know you'll read this, whether you post here again or not!
So please re-consider, for this, hardly justifys you revoking your membership over. I actually like some of your Innovative ideas.
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October 30th, 2007, 10:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JStarZid1
It's obvious that if you stay at this level of mentalism citing that "17" is the way to stay, then I wish to revoke my membership to this board, because I have stated countless times to go beyond what you feel is your "limitations."
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Unfortunately, one of the limitations of the game is that if you get caught, the game is over. If the casino catches the dealer, the game is dead. Just because an idea is good doesn’t mean it is optimal. You need to think about the big picture.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JStarZid1
There are times when you need to go beyond "H17," or even "18."
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Sure, just not in front of a floorman…or even a live dealer who will call it out to the floorman.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JStarZid1
It seems like everyone likes to refute what I have to say, without even trying to jump into a new idea or thought.
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Trust me, we aren’t trying to suppress any new ideas. It’s just that some ideas have already been thoroughly considered decades ago. Nobody is arguing that it is technically better to hit a hard 18 vs. 20. That’s obvious. But a smart player will know that the huge risk simply isn’t worth the small reward. I think this has been covered in many BJ books and websites. We’re not trying to stifle your creativity. We’re just trying to make sure that your creativity is tempered with reality.
-Sonny-
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