The Official Jay Moore Experience Thread

[SPX]

So for anyone has encountered any of my posts lately, you will be aware that lately I have been playing around with the betting system Jay Moore has come up with in his book The Most Powerful Blackjack Manual.

And I am always up for experimenting and testing people's claims, i.e. don't TELL me but SHOW me. And for me, that's the thing. All that matters is dollars in my pocket at the end of the day.

So what are some of Jay's claims? Well. . . He claims that:

• You need a 200 unit total bankroll to survive the fluctuations and a 20 unit session bankroll for individual sessions.
• You can expect 2-3 units per hour averaged over the long run.
• The long run consists of about 20,000 hands.
• You'll do just fine if you utilize his modified basic strategy (mostly straight BS with a few modifications like: no splitting Aces or 8s against a 10).
• You can expect to win approximately 75% of your sessions, with the units won during your winning sessions exceeding the units lost during your losing sessions.

So here's what I've decided. I'm taking $200 tonight--one session's worth--to Wendover tonight and will use his system. I will utilize a $10 base bet. If I lose, I will gather $200 more at my first opportunity and repeat. If I win, I will put it away until next time and will then take out $200 to wager next time around. If I ever lose 200 units then I'm done. The experiment will be deemed a failure.

My goal at this point is to make 10 trips, risking 20 units each time, and see where things stand at the end.

I understand this is basically a counter's board, but I'd appreciate a bit of support. Regardless of any mathematical advantages I may or may not have, the fact of the matter is that this is my money and I would rather win more than lose what I got.

Furthermore, I'm not ignorant regarding blackjack. I've read a lot, both on the counting side and the non-counting side. Everything from Thomason and Moore to Rezney (I'm a proud Bluebook II owner), Thorp and Snyder. I also learned to do the KO Rookie count in order to see it work with my own eyes (though I'm not nearly fast enough to utilize it in a casino environment).

I intend to add updates to this thread after every trip. If there's anyone else out there using Jay's system (ukdave?) then I'd be happy to hear about your experiences as well.

[zengrifter]

Go get'em tiger! zg

[SPX]

Okay, wait, wait, hold up. . .

Do over. . .

I did go out to 'Dover last night but I didn't take my A-game. Clearly I need a bit more practice with the system before I can take it out into the world. I consistently lost track of my wins and losses (something essential to utilizing Moore's betting method) and b*tched out on a couple of plays where I should've doubled but couldn't quite bring myself to do it.

My bad.

At first, it looked like things were going to go well. I was up about $50 within the first 20 mins or so. Then things went downhill. The table turned into one of those where the dealer is either consistently getting better cards than you or he is getting worse cards and somehow turning them into 21.

From there on, I felt like I was on a see-saw. At one point I was about $100 down, then fought my way back to to being literally $1 ahead and then things turned south again.

At the end of the night, I was about $48.50 down in blackjack. Luckily I had won about $80 on roulette at one point during the night which covered my losses.

Anyway, I'm going to call this one a practice run, study up a bit more and head back out there.

[shadroch]

If you call all your losing sessions practice sessions,and only count your winning sessions,you have a very good chance of being ahead longterm using his method.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by SPX

At the end of the night, I was about $48.50 down in blackjack. Luckily I had won about $80 on roulette at one point during the night which covered my losses.

That may be an important addition to the system. zg

[ukdave]

SPX

enjoyed recent exchnages on this subject. I will look with interest at your results

regards

ukdave

[SPX]

Originally Posted by shadroch

If you call all your losing sessions practice sessions,and only count your winning sessions,you have a very good chance of being ahead longterm using his method.

Ha ha.

Nah, the only reason I called it a practice session was that I didn't really follow everything "by the book" so I wasn't really using his system. Therefore, it would be inaccurate to say that my performance last night (or lack thereof) was indicative of the performance (or lack thereof) of Jay's system/method/ideas.

If you were going to evaluate the performance of a Lamborghini, you wouldn't do so with a version of the car that was missing key parts.

[SPX]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

That may be an important addition to the system. zg

I like roulette. I have fun with it. I always keep my blackjack money seperate from my recreation money, but I always take recreation money for video poker, slots, roulette, 3 card poker (although after the beating I took the last time I played 3 card I don't know if I'll venture that way again) . . . whatever tickles my fancy.

I'm considering learning to play Pai Gow. I need a good game that you can play for a while with just a little money and I hear that it is such a game.

[SPX]

Originally Posted by ukdave

SPX

enjoyed recent exchnages on this subject. I will look with interest at your results

regards

ukdave

Indeed. Well I am going to study up a bit more this week and make sure I have everything down cold and then probably hit up Wendover again next weekend.

[EasyRhino]

SPX, I don't know what the system is, but I would strongly urge you not to believe that it will work.

Regardless, if you're having trouble keeping track of wins/losses, you could probably just grab a tracking sheet from a baccarat table to mark them down. Once you explain your betting system to the pit, they'll probably supply free pencils.