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Old December 19th, 2007, 09:03 PM
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While I know a bit about counting, I don't count. (Though I did teach a girlfriend of mine who is better at quick mental calculations to do KO Rookie and I let her count down the deck for me when we're at the casino together.) So maybe those who do can clear up a confusing point for me.

I often read about people who talk about needing to wong out when the count goes negative. However, in the shoe game, isn't it common for multiple shoes to be negative and, when the shoe finally does go positive, to only stay that way for a few hands?

How can you reasonably wong out in such a situation? Wouldn't you basically spend a LOT of time (relatively speaking) backcounting only to jump into a shoe for a few hands and then hop out to backcount some more?

Maybe I don't understand. . .

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Old December 19th, 2007, 10:46 PM
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While I know a bit about counting, I don't count. (Though I did teach a girlfriend of mine who is better quick mental calculations to do KO Rookie and I let her count down the deck for me when we're at the casino together.) So maybe those who do can clear up a confusing point for me.

I often read about people who talk about needing to wong out when the count goes negative. However, in the shoe game, isn't it common for multiple shoes to be negative and, when the shoe finally does go positive, to only stay that way for a few hands?

How can you reasonably wong out in such a situation? Wouldn't you basically spend a LOT of time (relatively speaking) backcounting only to jump into a shoe for a few hands and then hop out to backcount some more?

Maybe I don't understand. . .
I think you do understand! It is as boring as it is profitable.

You can use Wonging effectively in one direction, either 1) only enter a shoe when it becomes good, and play it out or 2) (my favorite) start at a new shoe and leave to find another one when the count goes bad.

You have to use simulations to get a good idea of what "good" and "bad" mean in the context of Wonging in and out of shoes. Heat and comps come into play too.
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Old December 21st, 2007, 12:01 PM
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I got a question for you automonk. If the count on a shoe game tanks but your winning do still walk or stay and flat bet for the heck of it. blackchipjim
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Old December 21st, 2007, 01:01 PM
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I got a question for you automonk. If the count on a shoe game tanks but your winning do still walk or stay and flat bet for the heck of it. blackchipjim
I don't remember who, (I think it was Fred Rezney) but someone said that if you're playing a game and winning, but suddenly realize that you're playing with people FAR above your league, that you should get out, because it WILL catch up to you! On the other hand, they went on to say that the opposite holds true, as well. If you're getting your butt handed to you and you're playing against people WAY below your level, STAY IN, because it WILL catch up to them! So, count tanks and you're winning-get out. Count skyrockets and you're losing-ride it out!
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