Beyound Counting?????

[RedCell]

I have read that this book is considered the holy grail of AP play, I was hoping that some of the seasoned AP that have read this would chime in on the merits of this book. And also how would one go about getting this fabled manuscript. Thanks in advance

[shadroch]

Copies appear on ebay from time to time.As I'm neither a seasoned Ap nor have I other read the book,thats all I can add.

[Paradox]

Well, I wouldn't call it the "holy grail". It does tell you the math behind how to beat almost every game in a casino. However, it does not tell you "how" to do it. Basically, if you can see a hole card the book will help you. The author also has some very good advise about comportment. It is an advance book, it will not "spoon feed" you. I've made a lot of money with the information that I found in BC. If you have already seen weaknesses in games, this book will help you with the math and strategies after you have found weaknesses for yourself. It is literally worth more weight in gold if you are relentless in finding weak dealers. If not, it is an interesting read.

eBay is the best source.

[RJT]

It's a book that covers many aspects of advantage play that aren't covered anywhere else. Unlike many of the books out there, Beyond Counting is clearly written by a pro player and dispells many of the myths that circulate the community.

RJT.

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by Paradox

... Basically, if you can see a hole card the book will help you....

That's the thing though, anyone can win if they see a hole card.

So what's the best advice? Smoke and drink when you are young so it will stunt your growth. Hole carding is difficult when you're big and I look like a dead body slumped over the table when I try it.

Or I guess you can use the old wheelchair trick, but I'm not sure that I'm willing to cross that line. Ultimate justice, you know.

[RJT]

Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey

Or I guess you can use the old wheelchair trick, but I'm not sure that I'm willing to cross that line. Ultimate justice, you know.

If you look into the legality of that, you are on very shaky ground. Could easily be construed as using a device. Much along the same line as using special lenses to magnify the cards. It hasn't been prosecuted yet, but you wouldn't have good odds if you got caught.

RJT.

[Automatic Monkey]

Originally Posted by RJT

If you look into the legality of that, you are on very shaky ground. Could easily be construed as using a device. Much along the same line as using special lenses to magnify the cards. It hasn't been prosecuted yet, but you wouldn't have good odds if you got caught.

RJT.

Not in the US, you cannot discriminate against any wheelchair user in any circumstance except where safety is an issue. The disability activists would demolish anyone who tried prosecuting a wheelchair user because he was able to see cards.

[Paradox]

A wheelchair is a device. If your physician prescribes the chair, its a medical necessity. If not, you may find yourself in a nearly indefensible situation. Just because you also want or think you need to use it is not excuse. I've spoken to an attorney, a specialist in gambling law, with whom I addressed this issue. Only a licensed physician can deem it medically necessary.

[EasyRhino]

Maybe you can get a doctor to prescribe one because of fatigue? This would be the same doctor you'd get your valium prescription from.

Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey

I look like a dead body slumped over the table when I try it.

How would anyone notice the difference.

[moo321]

Originally Posted by Paradox

A wheelchair is a device. If your physician prescribes the chair, its a medical necessity. If not, you may find yourself in a nearly indefensible situation. Just because you also want or think you need to use it is not excuse. I've spoken to an attorney, a specialist in gambling law, with whom I addressed this issue. Only a licensed physician can deem it medically necessary.

Yeah, if your defense was: "A wheelchair isn't a device". But if your defense was: "I have (fill in the blank) problems, and I need to use a wheelchair" I'm sure you'd get off, easily. And probably win a civil judgment under ADA, even if it wasn't prescribed.