The Comp Paradox

[SPX]

It seems that the mortal sin in regard to comps is to break even. If you want comps, you either have to win a lot or lose a lot. Either one achieves the same result (paradoxically so).

If you win a lot they want to keep you around to get their money back. If you lose then they want to keep you around so that you can lose more.

But don't break even. You're not important to them then.

[shadroch]

That is completely wrong.Its so wrong in fact that I had to double check to make sure it wasn't yet another inane Cardcounter thread.
Casinos care about the amount of money you put into play. Short term positive or negative results are secondary.

[SPX]

Originally Posted by shadroch

That is completely wrong.Its so wrong in fact that I had to double check to make sure it wasn't yet another inane Cardcounter thread.
Casinos care about the amount of money you put into play. Short term positive or negative results are secondary.

Something tells me that if you go to a casino and start out with $200 and end up with $10,000 (without them tagging you as a counter) then they'll want to send a limo for you. . .

[EasyRhino]

And you know, I had a horrible losing session at a Harrah's property, and for whatever reason, it broke the Total Rewards system, and for one month they thought I was way awesomer than I really was, even though I was playing the same way I usually do.

So while it shouldn't matter whether you win or lose from the casino's standpoint, I do think that outsize wins and losses are more likely to garner attention.

[moo321]

Originally Posted by shadroch

That is completely wrong.Its so wrong in fact that I had to double check to make sure it wasn't yet another inane Cardcounter thread.
Casinos care about the amount of money you put into play. Short term positive or negative results are secondary.

Seriously, stop attacking people just for posting stuff you disagree with. This isn't 2+2.

[shadroch]

Originally Posted by moo321

Seriously, stop attacking people just for posting stuff you disagree with. This isn't 2+2.

Its not a matter of disagreement,its a matter of posting misinformation.If Someone post "did you know one plus one is really 23,not 2,"I'll call them on on it. If you don't like it,use the ignore feature.

[SPX]

Originally Posted by shadroch

Its not a matter of disagreement,its a matter of posting misinformation.If Someone post "did you know one plus one is really 23,not 2,"I'll call them on on it. If you don't like it,use the ignore feature.

Everyone knows you get rated by how much money you put into play on average, but that's clearly not what I'm talking about.

But everyone also knows that it's those days when you win BIG or lose BIG that they are falling all over you (unless you're a high roller).

I remember reading a post the other day about a guy who bought in for $2000 and ended up with $17000. When he turned around he had 3 guys in suits wanting to give him whatever was necessary to keep him from going home with their money.

The fact of the matter is that you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about but you want to be difficult.

[shadroch]

You stated-"Don't break even.You're not important to them then"

The entire idea behind Comp Counting is to try to break even or lose just a little.As even folks like ZG will agree that Comp Counting is better than card Counting,I'm not sure how that jibes with your premise.
Sure,if you have a one in a million day,you'll get some extra attention,but to say that they ignore you when you break even is simply wrong.Its a complete distortion of how the comp system works.

[SPX]

Originally Posted by shadroch

You stated-"Don't break even.You're not important to them then"

The entire idea behind Comp Counting is to try to break even or lose just a little.As even folks like ZG will agree that Comp Counting is better than card Counting,I'm not sure how that jibes with your premise.
Sure,if you have a one in a million day,you'll get some extra attention,but to say that they ignore you when you break even is simply wrong.Its a complete distortion of how the comp system works.

Well if you're low stakes then they really DON'T care. As a red chipper who plays about once a week they never want to give me a thing. Can't even get a buffet out of the cheap bastards and it's not like we're talking about Vegas here.

[moo321]

Originally Posted by shadroch

Its not a matter of disagreement,its a matter of posting misinformation.If Someone post "did you know one plus one is really 23,not 2,"I'll call them on on it. If you don't like it,use the ignore feature.

How can an opinion be misinformation? And "if you don't like it ignore it" doesn't work. Being a jerk to people because you disagree with them is unacceptable, and it doesn't help us get the money. The bad guys are the casinos and the system sellers, not people making general observations about comps.