Red 7

[SPX]

Does anyone actually use it? It seems that it's a bit of a legacy counting system and that, while many people are familiar with it, most people who are using an unbalanced system are either using KO (which is the vast majority) or KISS.

So does anyone actually use Red 7 today? I have Snyder's 2005 edition of Blackbelt in Blackjack, so I know he's still pushing it. But I don't think I've ever run across anyone who actually claims that it's their system of preference.

[EasyRhino]

It seems to fit an awkward nice, since KO is still easier (no need to pay attention to suit/color). People looking for more complicated counts can of course find things that are much fancier.

But it still provides a more "measured" gauge to ramping your bets in modestly positive counts.

I'm under the impression that it's results would be fundamentally interchangeable with that of KISS... but having used neither system, I can't guarantee it.

[Dyepaintball12]

I use it, but I am going to switch to a better system starting, well, pretty much right now.

[SPX]

Originally Posted by Dyepaintball12

I use it, but I am going to switch to a better system starting, well, pretty much right now.

How long have you been using it? And if you already have it down then why switch?

[LeonShuffle]

I've always used it.

[geneticfreak]

I used it when I first started but switched to KO since it was similar and easy to adjust to my need for simplicity. I adjust the IRC for shoe games down to when the count goes positive, it tells me how many units I should be betting. +3 = 3 units, +4 = 4 units and so on up to the max.

[SPX]

Originally Posted by LeonShuffle

I've always used it.

What do you think about it? How long did it take you to become "casino ready?" Do you wish you had learned KO instead?

[LeonShuffle]

No, I prefer Red 7 over KO because the advanced version sizes your bets more accurately than KO. And I don't think it's any harder; once you get used to it, black 7s look just like an 8 or 9 to you.

[SPX]

Originally Posted by LeonShuffle

No, I prefer Red 7 over KO because the advanced version sizes your bets more accurately than KO. And I don't think it's any harder; once you get used to it, black 7s look just like an 8 or 9 to you.

I know that in Blackbelt in Blackjack Snyder claims that it's been decisively proven that Red 7 outperforms KO. Do you know if independent tests have been run to prove this?

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by SPX

I know that in Blackbelt in Blackjack Snyder claims that it's been decisively proven that Red 7 outperforms KO. Do you know if independent tests have been run to prove this?

Yes, but the difference is negligable in actual play. zg