Dealing with wongers

[Diver]

Norm's latest, BJ In Color, comments about back counting "These charts indicate that a card counter should probably leave if someone is backcounting his/her table." I've been wondering about this in DD games that allow mid-shoe entry. Is it seen as unusual for a player to sit out a few hands and then rejoin before the suffle? I see this often in 6D games. But in a DD game with you and one other player, what would you do if he passed at a negative count and then started playing again if the count improved before the shuffle? I had an instance where the other player passed mid-shoe but didn't resume until after the shuffle (the count didn't get past neutral). Not sure what I would have done if he'd started playing again before the shuffle. Later, at another DD table, the same guy was positioned for backcounting when I was head's up, so I stood up to block his view of my hand. The dealer said I had to be seated to play but I think the point was made because the guy split.

[21forme]

I would not want to play at the same table as another counter.

If someone is backcounting your table, a subtle hint like "go backcount at another table" will likely get him moving.

[Automatic Monkey]

At a place where backlining is allowed, their was a backcounter and when he came in I pointed to my bet and told him "Hey. Behind me."

Not only did that protect a little bit of my EV, it earned him a bunch of EV because he now doesn't have to double his bet on defensive splits.

[EasyRhino]

If they're sitting at the same table and wonging out, then you're playing at the same table with another counter, which is not really good.

I like AM's idea a lot. Course, I'm not used to backlining.

If that fails, go with the ploppy logic, and complain to the dealer, floor, other players, and the backcounter that he's messing up the flow of the cards. At the very least, spread to multiple hands if you hadn't already.

[summathguy]

Originally Posted by EasyRhino

If they're sitting at the same table and wonging out, then you're playing at the same table with another counter, which is not really good.

I like AM's idea a lot. Course, I'm not used to backlining.

If that fails, go with the ploppy logic, and complain to the dealer, floor, other players, and the backcounter that he's messing up the flow of the cards. At the very least, spread to multiple hands if you hadn't already.

Don't you think that's creating too much hostility at a table and perhaps that table will be watched more closely? When people (albeit superstitious gamblers, not counters) complain about me sitting out a few hands and come back in (I only do this when the CPD < -2, roughly 2% edge in favor of the house is not worth it to me!), I usually make it a point to make them feel foolish. I'll say something like, "What? Do you think there's a magic number of players that you know in advance that will make this shoe the best?" Add a little charm to my tone and I usually get at least one other player at the table and/or dealer chuckling.