The PHONEY 9/11 Trial

[zengrifter]

US accused of using 'kangaroo court' to try men accused of role in September 11 attacks

By Andrew Gumbel
Tuesday, 12 February 2008

The United States military announced yesterday that it was bringing death penalty charges against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and five other men suspected of orchestrating the September 11 attacks, and intended to try them under the Bush administration's much-criticised military tribunal system, which is subject only to partial oversight by the civilian appeals system.

The decision to use Mohammed and the others as guinea-pigs in a constitutionally dubious legal proceeding is likely to trigger a firestorm of anti-American sentiment in the Islamic world and spark a fractious domestic debate in an already highly charged presidential election year.
Concerns were raised last night of political interference by the White House in the military's decision to go to trial in the middle of an election campaign in which the Republican frontrunner, John McCain, has made the fight against al-Qa'ida central to his election bid.

"What we are looking at is a series of show trials by the Bush administration that are really devoid of any due process considerations," said Vincent Warren, the executive director head of Centre for Constitutional Rights, which represents many Guantanamo detainees. "Rather than playing politics the Bush administration should be seeking speedy and fair trials," he said. "These are trials that are going to be based on torture as confessions as well as secret evidence. There is no way that this can be said to be fair especially as the death penalty could be an outcome."

MORE- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ks-781007.html

[SystemsTrader]

This military tribunal is very disturbing. These guys should be tried in a Federal court or the world court with everything on the table for the public to see. Someday in the future this will come back to bite America in the ass when some American(s) are put on trial in some foreign land. It may not happen for 10 or even 50 years but they won't be able to scream for justice and fairness when the foreigners claim they are doing exactly what the Americans did in 08.

[moo321]

Originally Posted by SystemsTrader

This military tribunal is very disturbing. These guys should be tried in a Federal court or the world court with everything on the table for the public to see. Someday in the future this will come back to bite America in the ass when some American(s) are put on trial in some foreign land. It may not happen for 10 or even 50 years but they won't be able to scream for justice and fairness when the foreigners claim they are doing exactly what the Americans did in 08.

Yep. This **** is scary.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by SystemsTrader

This military tribunal is very disturbing. These guys should be tried in a Federal court or the world court with everything on the table for the public to see. Someday in the future this will come back to bite America in the ass when some American(s) are put on trial in some foreign land. It may not happen for 10 or even 50 years but they won't be able to scream for justice and fairness when the foreigners claim they are doing exactly what the Americans did in 08.

At the same time BushCo has been scrambling to insure immunity from "war crimes" and refusing jurisdiction
of the World Court where possible war crimes can be charged against Americans (like CIA and presidents), zg

[aslan]

The use of military tribunals is not exactly ground-breaking. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin Roosevelt used them. I have no problem with it. IMO, we shouldn't confuse the rights of non-citizen POWs with those of American citizens. It is not a slam dunk that they won't, or didn't, get a fair trial, except in some people's minds, which is the same that is often said about regular trials in the U.S. court system.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by aslan

IMO, we shouldn't confuse the rights of foreign combatants with those of American citizens. It is not a slam dunk that they won't, or didn't, get a fair trial, except in some people's minds, which is the same that is often said about regular trials in the U.S. court system.

Don't call them "enemy foriegn combatants" then - they are POWs. zg

[aslan]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

Don't call them "enemy foriegn combatants" then - they are POWs. zg

Sorry. I was thinking in terms of those who allegedly actually hit the WTC. POWs is fine with me. See my edits above. BTW, the word "enemy" is yours.

[zengrifter]

Originally Posted by aslan

Sorry. I was thinking in terms of those who allegedly actually hit the WTC. POWs is fine with me. See my edits above. BTW, the word "enemy" is yours.

I call them what they really are: PATSIES! zg

[aslan]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

I call them what they really are: PATSIES! zg

Actually they are CIA operatives who will be released upon sentencing.

[Opinion]

Originally Posted by zengrifter

US accused of using 'kangaroo court' to try men accused of role in September 11 attacks

By Andrew Gumbel
Tuesday, 12 February 2008

The United States military announced yesterday that it was bringing death penalty charges against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and five other men suspected of orchestrating the September 11 attacks, and intended to try them under the Bush administration's much-criticised military tribunal system, which is subject only to partial oversight by the civilian appeals system.

The decision to use Mohammed and the others as guinea-pigs in a constitutionally dubious legal proceeding is likely to trigger a firestorm of anti-American sentiment in the Islamic world and spark a fractious domestic debate in an already highly charged presidential election year.
Concerns were raised last night of political interference by the White House in the military's decision to go to trial in the middle of an election campaign in which the Republican frontrunner, John McCain, has made the fight against al-Qa'ida central to his election bid.

"What we are looking at is a series of show trials by the Bush administration that are really devoid of any due process considerations," said Vincent Warren, the executive director head of Centre for Constitutional Rights, which represents many Guantanamo detainees. "Rather than playing politics the Bush administration should be seeking speedy and fair trials," he said. "These are trials that are going to be based on torture as confessions as well as secret evidence. There is no way that this can be said to be fair especially as the death penalty could be an outcome."

MORE- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...ks-781007.html

Didn't the Supreme Court allow the military trials? If so then I guess they are legal and not a monkey court!!!!!!!!

I admit I have not read the Geneve conventions, but I understand that there is a section on militias. A militia can wear hats, badges or arm bands to convey that they are to be considered military personal.

Now, one of the reasons you have military in uniforms is to protect civilians by knowing who to shoot at. Al Quada and others have chosen to hide among women and children while attacking the same. They have chosen to fight an illegial war in an illegial manner. They should be punished for not wearing uniforms instead of given judicial protection! They are illegially fighting a war and who better to determine their crimes then the military!

If all the Islamic Fascist fighters stated we are wearing this uniform (all the time ) then when captured I would give them Geneva privaleges (though not a nation state ), because they are out of uniform they need to be not treated as well when captured. Think of Napolenic war spy codes. If out of uniform you can be shot! I have no problem with tough interrogations for illegial terrorist combatants.

On Gitmo - Prisoners of war are held until the end of the war! Bin Laden has not asked for peace. I would hold all of them until the end of the war, yep that is possibly an indefinate period of time! Well maybe they should not be terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!

If some people have their way we may face a nation state in the future who has all its soldiers fight in civilian clothes while demanding trials for all combatants in the world court? LOL You can have the advantage of hiding among civilians and if caught the advantages of civil trials!!!!!!!!!!Oh, let's not forget the US will be blamed for every civilian death caused by the enemy dressing as civilians and hiding among them!!!!!!!!