How do you remember indicies??

[la_dee_daa]

Well after seeing a thing on how to remember bs how do you other counter out there remember indicies?

myself i just find they are filled with patterns for example

for hi-lo all your diviations for your 12-16 vs dealers 12-16 its all just "general" increases/decreases by 2 horizontally give or take a little and 3 vertically give or take a little. And since you never really get a perfect true count due to deck estimation and so on. So you can remember those 25 just from 3 numbers essentially. I dont know if this is just for the rules i play but i assume all the other indices must go like this a little to.

like from a glance i see about 8-10 patterns which give u a good 70+ indicies.

what other methods do u guys use?

[rukus]

dont rely on patterns!! if you learn the indices this way, maybe youll learn, say 12v2 for real (or whatever index is at the beginning of the line in you chart). then when you get a 12v6 at the tables, youll sit there wasting time applying your pattern of decreasing numbers and actually have to calculate what the 12v6 # is since you only really know 12v2 and you must calc what 12v6 based on the pattern. you need to learn each index # so that you can pull it from your MEMORY in a split second.

between counting the cards and recalculating the TC when play gets to you (to see if you should deviate), you have no time to calculate index numbers as well. burn them ALL into you brain with no patterns relating them to each other.

i think the best way to do this is with what has been suggested since Uston in the 70s and 80s. Make flashcards for each index - run through the indices on flashcards (in random order), shuffle, repeat a whole lot of times. this will allow you to learn the index numbers independently of each other... then drill in CVBJ once you think you have the #s seared into your brain.

rukus

[sagefr0g]

probably i should just shut up but since it's me i'll give it a shot. and it's not that this is how i've done it exactly this way. lol
thing is about how the brain supposedly remmembers things. asscociation is supposed to help for some weird reason. but i recall some study about memory that claimed it having more than one 'pathway' to the memory was helpful. so that being the case one might suspect that however or what ever you do to memorize something maybe it's a good idea to do more than one way. so say you might just study the indice tables for a while familiarizing your self with them and then perhaps you might repeatedly write down the charts over and over to get them down rote. and then maybe use some flash cards. still again you could try and repeat the indices to your self in your mind. and then you could reinforce the memories by using software designed to challenge your memory for indices. finally there is actual play inwhich the actual use of the indices also helps to reinforce the memories.
so that way you got a lot of 'pathways' for getting to the memory which according to the aforementioned study is supposed to be a good thing.
here is an interesting but sort of off the wall footnote just for fun:
Deren Brown claims to use some sort of association memory methods :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1mwe...eature=related

[la_dee_daa]

Originally Posted by rukus

dont rely on patterns!! if you learn the indices this way, maybe youll learn, say 12v2 for real (or whatever index is at the beginning of the line in you chart).

Well I learn my main ones the main 18 plus a few more.. but for the less important ones i find this is acceptable with minimal amounts of memorization. And you can still recall them very quickly. But yea for the main ones this isn't the way to go but you can have a good amount of fuzzy ones kinda like a fuzzy count, never hurts to have a few extra ones.

[la_dee_daa]

Originally Posted by sagefr0g

Deren Brown claims to use some sort of association memory methods :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1mwe...eature=related

HE hits a 16 vs dealers 6 !!!

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by la_dee_daa

HE hits a 16 vs dealers 6 !!!

lol no biggie! he portraying himself as some sort of human computer.