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Originally Posted by sabre
If by not as powerful you mean the 2nd most profitable hand behind AA, then yes, KK isn't that powerful.
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Im guessing you have never played on a low ball
limit poker table . Stakes 3/6 ( even on a 4/8 sometimes ) or less or 1-5 spread.
Avg players to a flop is 3-6 even after a raise pre flop ( and I find the avg of players to be 5), assuming you are playing on a 9/10player table . even on a balanced table of 1 maniac 4 loose 4 selective and 1 rock. but these balnced tables dont come around to often.
The hand is the 2nd best STARTING HAND as shown in my graph As it will always be since its +EV is 2nd best .
25% of the time you lose to A/X
and about 20% to draws ( flush/St8 )
After about 1000+ hours of playing limit I found it to win about 65% of the time. or 6-7/10 times.
Im limit some hands gain more +EV to make them more playable and profitable. After 1000+ hours hands like TJs wins less than KK as it always will but the pots TJs*this is just an example hand* wins will be more than what KK wins. Both make profit. KK more often and TJs MORE $ ( all of this is also based over time ). And this on the limits he posted.
Things change the bigger the limits get . Skill changes , Hand selection changes. most tables are 2 loose and the rest rock and selective. STAKES 5/10$-20/40$+
NOW KK is better and more profitable since you dont have to take into account A/rag and bad players. And the price for drawing goes up.
As I posted about KK: its 2nd in my chart for a reason cuz its the 2nd best starting hand and the 2nd best EV and in any holdem game it always will be . I also said you need to play it quick and make all draws pay .
its like a small ball player against a big ball player in NLHM.
You give a small ball player 7/8o and big ball KK . and the flop comes
5/6/Q rainbow then sparks are going to fly. The only differnce is the KK can make you pay HIGHLY * ALL IN COME TO MIND * to draw with your 65/35 situation . assuming the KK matches the suit of the 7/8o.
In limit at those stakes its 2$ to draw to the 1/3 chance of making the straight and 4$ for a 1/5 and as you can see I didnt even put it against a Flush draw cuz the odds are worse for the KK and even worse if the flush draw is a nuts draw or if the turn brings a 7or8 since then its a 70/30 going to the river. See why KK loses its power. Still the 2nd best hand but its not as powerfull ( still 2nd best EV ) as people make it out to be and you need to play it with extreme caution and extremely aggresive.
I guess just over the years ive seen people lose to much with KK and QQ than any other hand in low lmit due to not playing them correctly.
and this guy said he isnt familiar enough with lmit so Im trying to save him losing his $$ through my costly experience.
I mean this is a blackjack forum and someone like me who only has 5 months experience with blackjack is going to ask questions and I would like someone with experience to help me out. But I have years of poker experience and can give valuable advice in that area.
I mean you can look at KK like a high count in BJ odds are in your favor
everytime but sometimes the dealer get the 20 and you get the hard 16.
So sabre you are correct on it being the 2nd more profitable in the fact its the hand that wins the 2nd most amount of time . But rarely the pots it wins are huge . While other staring hands win bigger pots .
but hey profit is profit who cares how you get it .
hope that helps to clear up what I was trying to say.
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