Where is the advantage?

[Wineburg]

I have been looking over the Blackjackincolor.com which has a lot of great stats pages and graphs but one page confuses me...

http://www.blackjackincolor.com/truecount5.htm

Are these Win/Lose percentages right?

If so how are counters supposed to overcome the odds if this page is saying that you do not have an advantage over the house till you get to a true count of about 16?

This is just a very discouraging chart to look at.

[godeem23]

Originally Posted by Wineburg

I have been looking over the Blackjackincolor.com which has a lot of great stats pages and graphs but one page confuses me...

http://www.blackjackincolor.com/truecount5.htm

Are these Win/Lose percentages right?

If so how are counters supposed to overcome the odds if this page is saying that you do not have an advantage over the house till you get to a true count of about 16?

This is just a very discouraging chart to look at.

You don't need to win more hands than you lose, and you're not going to. Your advantage comes from winning the bigger bets, and taking advantage of profitable double downs, etc.

[sagefr0g]

Originally Posted by Wineburg

I have been looking over the Blackjackincolor.com which has a lot of great stats pages and graphs but one page confuses me...

http://www.blackjackincolor.com/truecount5.htm

Are these Win/Lose percentages right?

If so how are counters supposed to overcome the odds if this page is saying that you do not have an advantage over the house till you get to a true count of about 16?

This is just a very discouraging chart to look at.

i think i see what your lookiing at in that chart. how you finally may win a little more often at around a true count of 16.
thing is it's not the winning of more hands that gives a counter an advantage. it's having more successful double downs than unsuccesful, having successful insurance bets and getting blackjacks all when the counter has larger bets out. it's just a matter of fact that when the true count is positive and pretty much the more positive the better that we get more successful double downs than unsuccesful,get successful insurance bets and we get more blackjacks. basicaly thats why the counter puts more money out when the true count is positive. you get a lot of bang for your buck on those doubledowns when you get more succesful ones than unsuccesful and you get the 3:2 payoff on the blacjacks and then the insurance bet can save you a fair size bet loss when succesful and win you a 2:1 pay out if both you and the dealer have blackjack.