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Old April 15th, 2008, 10:54 AM
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Most of the books I have read mention that BS is for the first 2 cards, and that it varies after you take a couple hits. By how much does BS change after hitting and what is a good source to learn about strategy after the first 2 cards?
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Old April 15th, 2008, 11:03 AM
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Blackjack Bluebook 2 has a good discussion on this. There isn't much change. Only a few hands come to mind. Multi card 16s ,for example.
The author of BB2 is a frequent contributor here. You might want to PM him the question . His forum name is Renzey.
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Old April 15th, 2008, 11:53 AM
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Yeah that's actually what got me thinking about it. Just didn't know if there were any other hands like that. But I figured BS wouldn't change much. If and when it does though, does the why and when come more from information gathered while counting?
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Old April 15th, 2008, 01:47 PM
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Default That's why you count...

then you make changes to BS according to the indices for
the count system you're using.

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Old April 15th, 2008, 05:10 PM
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By how much does BS change after hitting and what is a good source to learn about strategy after the first 2 cards?
A lot, since you can't double, split, or surrender.

But seriously, in a shoe game, being dealt 9-3-3 vs. dealer 10 is no different from seeing an extra 3 in a previous hand and being dealt 9-6 vs. dealer 10. You alter your BS based on the count you see.

Single-deck and double-deck might have some composition-dependent strategy changes.
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Old April 15th, 2008, 05:14 PM
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http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/appendix3c.html
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Old April 15th, 2008, 07:53 PM
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But seriously, in a shoe game, being dealt 9-3-3 vs. dealer 10 is no different from seeing an extra 3 in a previous hand and being dealt 9-6 vs. dealer 10. You alter your BS based on the count you see.
That's what I was thinking. I can stop worrying about that until I really get into counting. Thanks for the confirmation.
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Old April 15th, 2008, 10:41 PM
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A lot, since you can't double, split, or surrender.

But seriously, in a shoe game, being dealt 9-3-3 vs. dealer 10 is no different from seeing an extra 3 in a previous hand and being dealt 9-6 vs. dealer 10. You alter your BS based on the count you see.

Single-deck and double-deck might have some composition-dependent strategy changes.
If you started with a 3, 4, and then drew a 2, 2, 2, A, A, A, wouldn't you think twice before taking that last hit? With five or more cards, I invariably stand at 16, but I don't know the correct play.
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Old April 16th, 2008, 01:05 AM
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If you started with a 3, 4, and then drew a 2, 2, 2, A, A, A, wouldn't you think twice before taking that last hit? With five or more cards, I invariably stand at 16, but I don't know the correct play.
Depends on the count.
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Old April 16th, 2008, 02:00 AM
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Depends on the count.
For sure. If it's a positive count, you wouldn't be hitting 16 regardless. It also seems it would depend on how many decks. 222AAA is not very common in single deck, but can occur much more frequently in eight deck.
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