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Old April 22nd, 2008, 12:21 AM
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Since I got into card counting, I found more advanced techniques like ace steering and sequencing, but i havn't really found a reliable source that explains these techniques in depth. Can anyone of you recommend a good book on the subject?

Edit: Sorry for posting, i just found a thread that asks the same question
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=2118

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Old April 22nd, 2008, 10:45 AM
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That thread just covers sequencing. Here's a more thorough list:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/show...1994#post21994

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Old April 22nd, 2008, 11:50 AM
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I have a follow up question.
Can you gain a big enough advantage to make playing profitable by doing ONLY these advanced techniques?
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 12:27 PM
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Your advantage will be bigger but your opportunities will be much smaller. Card counting is weak but you can use it almost anywhere. It is best to learn every technique you can learn so that you can make the most of any opportunity you find. You might be able to survive with only one or two tricks but it will not be easy.

Also, some of the advanced techniques require card counting as well. At the very least they will require proper bet sizing and risk management techniques which are easily learned through card counting.

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Old April 22nd, 2008, 06:40 PM
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I have a follow up question.
Can you gain a big enough advantage to make playing profitable by doing ONLY these advanced techniques?
Honestly, I am pretty skeptical of steering and tracking. They're possible against weak shuffles or procedures, but in practice you're better of just finding a good game to count against.
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Old April 23rd, 2008, 04:48 AM
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Well the shuffle I am facing IS pretty weak! My friend was playing at the place and he said its just a riffle and restack! and another dealer did a shuffle that I explained in another thread.
But with the rules I will have to get a 5,76% advantage to get even with the house! so I assume that its not realistic to beat the game?

Edit: I just calculated that if I play every 10 and A perfectly, I will have a 9,6% advantage

(0,6153 * (-0,0576)) + (0,3077 * 0,3) + (0,077 * 0,51) = 0,09613872

Edit: That would require years of practice to pull of in real life...

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Old April 23rd, 2008, 01:26 PM
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Well the shuffle I am facing IS pretty weak! My friend was playing at the place and he said its just a riffle and restack! and another dealer did a shuffle that I explained in another thread.
But with the rules I will have to get a 5,76% advantage to get even with the house! so I assume that its not realistic to beat the game?

Edit: I just calculated that if I play every 10 and A perfectly, I will have a 9,6% advantage

(0,6153 * (-0,0576)) + (0,3077 * 0,3) + (0,077 * 0,51) = 0,09613872

Edit: That would require years of practice to pull of in real life...
5.75% house edge? Whatever scheme you have, abandon it immediately. Nothing short of seeing the dealers hole card or mucking cards is gonna beat that game.
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Old April 29th, 2008, 07:28 AM
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Ive just bought a great DvD instructional video. Semyon Dukach learning blackjack, advanced methods. He talks and shows visually, its a great video.
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Ive just bought a great DvD instructional video. Semyon Dukach learning blackjack, advanced methods. He talks and shows visually, its a great video.
The DVD's useful for the visual demonstration of the basics of the various techniques, but you need a lot more information and knowledge than is offered in that resource if you hope to apply them successfully.

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