Roulette AP?

[Chapel]

There was another post here that mentioned something along the lines of getting and advantage with a team of scientists and/or a computer device. Could someone explain how this would work?

[moo321]

Well, it's illegal to use a computer in most jurisdictions, so it'd be stupid. If you're gonna cheat, you might as well learn to muck or mark cards; huge edge, hard to catch.

BUT, it would probably center on finding biased wheels. Personally, I don't believe it, because the house edge is too high to find a wheel that biased. I might believe it in a few rare cases, but I doubt it. Big 6 wheel is more plausible...

[aslan]

Originally Posted by moo321

Well, it's illegal to use a computer in most jurisdictions, so it'd be stupid. If you're gonna cheat, you might as well learn to muck or mark cards; huge edge, hard to catch.

BUT, it would probably center on finding biased wheels. Personally, I don't believe it, because the house edge is too high to find a wheel that biased. I might believe it in a few rare cases, but I doubt it. Big 6 wheel is more plausible...

Houses would have you believe that biased wheels are a thing of the past. They test their wheels continually, move them around, adjust them, blah, blah, blah. But every once in a while you read another story about a million plus score against a biased wheel.

[Chapel]

How would one go about finding a biased wheel? Just simple observation?

[aslan]

Originally Posted by Chapel

How would one go about finding a biased wheel? Just simple observation?

All the tales I've read say that "clockers" spend days recording every number. Sometimes nowadays they use laptops or computerized devices. Sometimes they find a spot from where they can see the number display, such as at a slot machine. Other times two clockers play the same wheel making small bets in opposite directions (red/black, odd, even) so that the net result is close to zero except for the 0 and 00. I don't know how sensitive casinos are to clockers and what countermeasures they employ when they suspect they are being clocked.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Chapel

There was another post here that mentioned something along the lines of getting and advantage with a team of scientists and/or a computer device. Could someone explain how this would work?

I know there was a team in England that wion a bucketful of money with a computer. Something like (I think) the player strobed the speed of the ball, it got radioed to a van outside, and the wheel section of most likely landing zone radioed back. Something like that - I'm not even sure a biased wheel was needed but maybe.

I don't even think they were found guilty because there was no law against it at the time.

Search the web - you might find the details.

[QFIT]

According to Laurance Scott, Roulette is NOT about biased wheels. It is about finding a dealer that is reasonably consistent. Then analyzing the arc of numbers that are likely to be hit after the ball slows to a specified speed. The speed can be determined by the sound of the ball in the groove. It's not easy. But there are two aspects of Roulette that are in your favor. First, you can be wrong 2 out of 3 times about which quarter of the wheel will be hit and still realize a huge advantage. Secondly, Roulette is the only casino game that allows you to bet after the game has started. That is, you can place bets after the dealer has thrown the ball and the game is in motion.

[Sonny]

Just do a search for Roulette and you will find some old posts about different methods (including computers). Here are a few of the results that come up:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=7769
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=4198
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=8921

-Sonny-

[aslan]

Originally Posted by QFIT

According to Laurance Scott, Roulette is NOT about biased wheels. It is about finding a dealer that is reasonably consistent. Then analyzing the arc of numbers that are likely to be hit after the ball slows to a specified speed. The speed can be determined by the sound of the ball in the groove. It's not easy. But there are two aspects of Roulette that are in your favor. First, you can be wrong 2 out of 3 times about which quarter of the wheel will be hit and still realize a huge advantage. Secondly, Roulette is the only casino game that allows you to bet after the game has started. That is, you can place bets after the dealer has thrown the ball and the game is in motion.

Wouldn't a consistent dealer advantage also imply that you know the exact point at which the ball slows to the "target speed," then quickly determining the key most logical target number and its surrounding neighbors? And aren't dealers trained to vary the speed at which they throw the ball as a countermeasure to this sort of ball prediction, in effect, changing their signatures? Determining the speed by the sound of the ball in the groove is an interesting proposition. Count on six months or more constant training to learn this technique on one particular model wheel in your basement, if in fact it is possible to begin with. Actually, this should not deter a real AP, since the payoff over a lifetime could more than justify the time expended. Do you have any insight as to the validity of Scott's claim?

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by aslan

And aren't dealers trained to vary the speed at which they throw the ball as a countermeasure to this sort of ball prediction, in effect, changing their signatures?

The speed of the throw doesn’t matter that much. You know that the ball will always be traveling at the same speed when it falls off the track because the point at which gravity overtakes the centripetal force is always the same. Imagine spinning a bucket of water around your head (see below). It doesn’t matter how long you spin the bucket, the water will always fall out when you slow down to a certain speed (and not before). Therefore you will always know what speed the bucket is traveling when the water falls out. Similarly, throwing the roulette ball harder will only cause the ball to spin for longer, giving you more time to predict the outcome. The tricky part is predicting how many more spins the ball will take and what position the wheel will be in when it falls. I don’t know anything about Scott’s system but I’ve heard good things about it.

-Sonny-