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Thanks Maestro.
Umm...I would rather choose to invest more money and increase my capital if that would better assist in the chance of having ANY impact on my "R.O.I". If having a bigger initial B.R would help secure the chances of increasing my odds of NOT LOSING money, but breaking even at worst case scenario, I would rather do that! I'll put it like this, if $100.00 bucks is going to substantially decrease my chances of breaking even or possibly losing money, I would prefer to toss in another hundred or two if it would make a substantial difference at breaking even or making a bit of extra money! Also, Im still looking for a site that has the same Bonus parameters @ .50cents a hand....OR something close to it. I'll let you know what I'm able to come up with! Thanks ~rwbbj~ 
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Most Casinos have Deposit + Bonus Multiplied by wagering Requirement. so If 200 deposit and 200 Bonus multiplied by 25 wagering 400 X 25 = 10,000/ BlackJack WR Game Percentage is Mostly 10% so 10,000 WR becomes 10,000X10=100k and not 5k Quote:
Expected loss = ((Deposit + Bonus) x Wagering requirement x (100 / Game %)) x House edge. The Blackjack has (House edge is 0.5% or 0.005), if you’ve received a 100% match bonus of $200 your expected loss is: ((200+200) x 25 x (100 / 10)) x 0.005 =500 so the expected loss is now $500. Oooops Last edited by blacksworn; June 6th, 2011 at 10:57 PM. 
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Not sure what you're saying. The info is correct, but be aware that each bonus has different terms. A 25xB is rare to find these, especially on blackjack. However 25xB is not impossible, I just played such a bonus last month. 
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so even if u find 25 X B so lets say 200 bonus 25X200 = 5000 BlackJack WR Game Percentage is Mostly 10% 5000X10= 50,000 WR so even if WR is 25XB ... total WR will be =50,000 and not 5k $50,000x0.5% = $250 expected loss is still $250 and not $25. so to clear ur Bonus of 200 ... u have expected loss of $250 and not $25. so the game % contributing to WR is the Key .... so only when u find bonus with Blackjack Game % towards WR is 100% ... its +ev. MangoJ hope u understand what i mean If u find any BlackJack Bonus with WR 25 X with Game 100% towards WR. iTs +ev ... otherwise .... is not worth it If u find one such Bonus PLease Post Here ... Thanks MangoJ 
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Blacksworn  this persistence with the "blackjack counts 10%" rule is becoming a bit boring. Some online casinos use this rule, far from all of them. If you don't like it, go play at a different casino. I recommended a great resource to help you find these just the other day  http://www.beatingbonuses.com. And truthfully, if you learn how to attack bonuses properly  or use games other than blackjack  even when a bonus does have this rule it doesn't alway have a dramatic impact on EV.
RJT.
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Also, nobody who's been playing bonuses for money for any length of time is going to post good offers as it just encourages loads of bonus whores to pile in and the bonus gets shut down very quickly. Not a good idea. RJT.
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Ty RJT

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Further, if you get a 50% deposit bonus, and need to play deposit + bonus 25 times, it is a 75xB bonus. If blackjack counts 20%, it is 375xB. Don't use numbers for comparison, which are not comparable. Yes, a 250xB bonus sucks, and other games are much more favorable if you can get a 25xB bonus. 
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Ty RJT .... I learn it from U what i want to stress is that if we don't Include Game% Contributing to WR ... then the above statement is simply misleading. Quote:
(I know RJT ... when u made this statement ... u r only referring to one particular Casino). so when we calculate expected loss ... if Game% Contribution to WR ( Maybe 10% 20% 50% or even 100% ) is not taken into account for a particular Bonus WR. Then the statement is Very Dangerous. Last edited by blacksworn; June 7th, 2011 at 10:34 PM. 
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The appropriate "index" is the total wagering divided by the expected loss (or bonus amount for a fixed game). If the bonus amount or maximum loss is significant to your bankroll, you also need to account for variance. If the wagering amount is massive, you also need to figure out your expected win per hour of "work". Then adjust to a betsize you are comfortable with, with respect to win per hour and risk. If blackjack is allowed, I would not play anything above wagering 100 times bonus, which still leaves you with a 0.5% advantage. 
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