Nightmare at El Cortez

#1
My first trip to LV

I was there from Friday morning to Monday morning.

Played only at El Cortez "Can El Cortez buy you a drink".

I must admit, I thought Red Garder in Wendover was a dump, but was I in for a shocker and truly eye opener.

During my stay in LV, I played around 20 hours of BJ at EC.

This is what happened.

I used K-O, I just learned 2 weeks ago.
Played SD / $2., $3. and $5. tables.
Betting went in increments of 3 based on the count, 0-2-4+
First I must say I had no problem keeping count, sure I missed a few counts due to distractions, including a drunk falling back on his chair.
My bankrool was only 300 and I came home with 186. Most of that 186 I made Monday morning.

Here are some observations and happenings:

This very heavy dealer, sweating profusely the whole time he dealt, short changed me on a color out by 35 dollars. I questioned him, he denied it, kept saying, "it's ok, it's ok". I said NO IT'S NOT OK, I want the rest of my hard earned money. At this point, several people at the table told him they saw the extra 35. I then called the PB over, he asked the dealer, and basically said, sorry; you only had 50 out there. I demanded to have the film review. After several minutes the PB came over and said, "the lighting was bad, couldn't determine anything". He then told the dealer, give him his money.

A drunk fell back on his chair, security came over and helped him out of the casino; this guy was out cold.

Another guy became so upset at a woman hitting a hard 17 against a dealers 6, that he called her a "f... B... and got up so quickly after the dealer revealed a 10 then drew a 5, that the chair went flying back against a slot machine.

This new Asian dealer was in trainig, with the above mention gentleman dealer that short changed me. I had a +8 count, put out my max of 15 dollars and drew two 8s, split them and ended up with a 18 and 20 and had a total of 30 dollars on the table. The dealer had a 2 up and then revealed an ace then another ace, then a 10, then a 3, then a 4 then another 10; BUSTED, right?! Ohhh no, the short Vietnamese PB came over said something no one at the table understood, took the last card the 10 and placed it in the empty tray and walked off. Dealer now had a 21, everyone lost. The whole tale started yelling, the trainee dealer was removed quickly and the heavy, sweating trainer took over.
Another time, I was talking to this Cuban lady dealer, Millie, in Spanish. At this time she was trainig an Asian girl dealer, and like all the other Asian dealers at Cortez, this trainee was performing miracles with 4,5, and 6s up; ending up with 19. 20 and 21s. I asked Millie in Spanish if this incredible luck was unusual, Millie smiles and said, "Ohhh no, casinos love young, Asian girls, they're very lucky". I had read something to this effect somewhere before, but had not put too much thought into it, until last weekend. I played on all shifts; I only saw 1 non Asian woman and 2 man dealers at the Cortez.

Drunks, prostitutes, both male and female, people that should be committed; yelling and swearing at the top of their lungs at imaginary opponents, all around El Cortez and all within one weekend.

I will NEVER return to downtown LV ever again!

This was my first trip to Las Vegas.
 

LV Bear

Administrator
#2
Are you sure?

The dealer had a 2 up and then revealed an ace then another ace, then a 10, then a 3, then a 4 then another 10; BUSTED, right?! Ohhh no, the short Vietnamese PB came over said something no one at the table understood, took the last card the 10 and placed it in the empty tray and walked off. Dealer now had a 21, everyone lost.

The dealer did not bust. Extra cards were taken by the dealer in error.

In the exact sequence you described, the dealer had a hard 17 and erroneously hit it, drawing the 4 for 21. The boss should have burned the 10 AND the 4, resulting in a dealer 17, not a 21. Did no one point this out?

Anyone who had had less than 17 lost, and correctly so. Anyone who had 17 or above should have howled at the mistaken ruling which resulted in the 21.

A dealer 17 is the correct result. A better ruling from a customer relations standpoint would have been to pay any winners, and void the hand for the losers. But the El Cortez is not big on customer relations.

Downtown is definitely an "interesting" place, especially the very low-end dumps like the El Cortez, Western, and Gold Spike.
 
#3
JLP where is your sense of adventure!

"I must admit, I thought Red Garder in Wendover was a dump, but was I in for a shocker and truly eye opener."

It is obvious JLP you have no taste for the rude and obscure

"This very heavy dealer, sweating profusely the whole time he dealt, short changed me on a color out by 35 dollars. I questioned him, he denied it, kept saying, "it's ok, it's ok". I said NO IT'S NOT OK, I want the rest of my hard earned money. At this point, several people at the table told him they saw the extra 35. I then called the PB over, he asked the dealer, and basically said, sorry; you only had 50 out there. I demanded to have the film review. After several minutes the PB came over and said, "the lighting was bad, couldn't determine anything". He then told the dealer, give him his money."

Come on JLP this proves that the EC hires the mentally handicap and ignorant. Equal Opputunity Employment. It was there or the military!

"A drunk fell back on his chair, security came over and helped him out of the casino; this guy was out cold."

Does he need a lwayer??????

"Another guy became so upset at a woman hitting a hard 17 against a dealers 6, that he called her a "f... B... and got up so quickly after the dealer revealed a 10 then drew a 5, that the chair went flying back against a slot machine."

You Know JLP I would've charged you more for your room. Entertainment Charge!

"This new Asian dealer was in trainig, with the above mention gentleman dealer that short changed me. I had a +8 count, put out my max of 15 dollars and drew two 8s, split them and ended up with a 18 and 20 and had a total of 30 dollars on the table. The dealer had a 2 up and then revealed an ace then another ace, then a 10, then a 3, then a 4 then another 10; BUSTED, right?! Ohhh no, the short Vietnamese PB came over said something no one at the table understood, took the last card the 10 and placed it in the empty tray and walked off. Dealer now had a 21, everyone lost. The whole tale started yelling, the trainee dealer was removed quickly and the heavy, sweating trainer took over."

"JLP you think the Pit critter would do something right, moral or just give up a little to the dumb ploppies."

"Another time, I was talking to this Cuban lady dealer, Millie, in Spanish. At this time she was trainig an Asian girl dealer, and like all the other Asian dealers at Cortez, this trainee was performing miracles with 4,5, and 6s up; ending up with 19. 20 and 21s. I asked Millie in Spanish if this incredible luck was unusual, Millie smiles and said, "Ohhh no, casinos love young, Asian girls, they're very lucky". I had read something to this effect somewhere before, but had not put too much thought into it, until last weekend. I played on all shifts; I only saw 1 non Asian woman and 2 man dealers at the Cortez."

JLP you should call INS/border patrol.

"Drunks, prostitutes, both male and female, people that should be committed; yelling and swearing at the top of their lungs at imaginary opponents, all around El Cortez and all within one weekend."

Hey I dont know about you but thats half the fun.

"I will NEVER return to downtown LV ever again!

This was my first trip to Las Vegas."

JLP you have to come with us we love to live on the edge. Downtown is where its at!

PS Seriously though. Down town is best played in the morning from sunup untill 11am. Then go to the strip or off strip casinos. Great trip report! LTC
 
#4
Re: JLP where is your sense of adventure!

That's a great story, but I need to know something....with 6/5 payouts on blackjacks why play single deck? And why (LV Bear or Mayor) unless you kind of grew up playing single deck would you start your AP career playing single deck?
 
#5
Re: Are you sure?

LVBear584:
:: In the exact sequence you described, the dealer had a hard 17 and erroneously hit it, drawing the 4 for 21.
The boss should have burned the 10 AND the 4, resulting in a dealer 17, not a 21. Did no one point this out? ::
Yes it was correct, the 4 and 5 might be reversed, but I'm 100% sure of the rest. No, no one, everyone was just focusing on the extra bust card, trying to grasp what the heck the critter was talking about as she burned the 10, and yelling at the poor new dealer as she collected every ones money.
:: A dealer 17 is the correct result. A better ruling from a customer relations standpoint would have been to pay any winners, and void the hand for the losers. But the El Cortez is not big on customer relations. ::

Yes, that would have been nice. I just can't understand why most dealers are just plain unfriendly; why not smile once and a while, wish everyone good luck, say Thank You, etc. Being polite defuses most people that are rude, or angry for loosing. That guy that tipped the chair over, I thought for sure he was going to do something physical after he got up.
 
#6
Re: JLP where is your sense of adventure!

Learning to count:
You are one funny dude, I just laughed out loud here at work when I read your response.

:: PS Seriously though. Down town is best played in the morning from sunup until 11am. Then go to the strip or off strip casinos. Great trip report! LTC::

Thank You!
You are right, it was around 8:30am when we stopped in before heading home and the atmosphere was a bit different, still a dump, but a bit nicer then the previous nights.
 

LV Bear

Administrator
#7
El Cortez single deck *LINK*

The El Cortez game is among the few remaining real single decks in Las Vegas, not the 6/5 ripoff game. See Current Blackjack News for details (link below).

Reno has plenty of real single deck, but lots of heat for all but red-chip play.

My advice to a new player would definitely be to learn the shoe game.
 
#8
LTC is right, all the lowbrow Gaughan properties do not honor the concepts of "Rude" and "Polite". You need to take it all in stride. One website even lists the patrons at the Gold Spike as their main entertainment. You just need to think of it as interactive theater.

I once walked into the Goldspike and asked if they had a room available. A seemingly drunk, fat, greasy guy behind the counter glared at me for every bit of ten seconds then snidely shouted "NO-O!". If this happened in a hotel along the Ohio Turnpike I would have asked to see a manager. But c'mon... it's Vegas!
 
#9
AAAAAAAAHHHHH THE WESTERN

This one of my posts on a true story that happened to me at the western! ANd chu tink EL CORTEEZ was Malo!

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AAAAAAAAH the western
Posted By: Learning to count on 9 December 02, 10:28 p.m. in response to: Western "ambiance" (LVBear584)

Last april my best friend and my cousin decided to visit the western just for the experience. We parked accross the street and we were met by a gentlemen who advised he was the parking lot security and official vehicle wash and wax man. We flipped him two bucks to watch the car with a promise of a tip if the vehicle still had its tires on when we came back.
As we entered the casino through the open garage door we were met by the security guy sitting on the highchair in front of the dollar blackjack table. I looked up at him and said Howdy. He tipped his hat to us. I then asked him "Any problems in here old timer" he responded by saying "nope not on my shift" and patted his six shooter strapped to his right thigh. We sat down at the old table in front and bought in for $20 bucks each. The dealer was a young pimple faced kid who dealt very slowly. Another dealer stood next to him and quietly coached him.
A mexican fellow sat next to me and told me how he just won a $60 dollar jack pot at a quarter slot machine and that he was buying drinks for everyone. I said "thanks but I think they are free for players." He responded by saying "oye chico eet ees the thought that counts".

The game started and everyone bet the minimum. I bet five times the minimum. The mexican leened over and said "Hombre that ees half your money calm down so chu can play longer." I smiled and winked at the waiting dealer. The game started and I got a snapper. The mexican got a sixteen and doubled. He was hit with a five and he cheered. "Tequila for every one!"

The "beautiful" waitress came over and took our orders and soon returned with my cup of coffe. The cup had red lipstick on it. The mexican leaned over and whispered " I tink chee likes you hombre she kissed your glass".

After a half hour of play I was up fifty dollars and the mexican was drunk and fast dropping his $60 slot jack pot to the Western. In time he was bottomed out. He stood up and said "eets not how chu play eets how chu lose, like a man Hombre...Ya me voy....Elena ees waiting for me." I bid him adios.

Soon it was my time to leave. I cashed in my meeger win and went to find my cohorts who were at another table. As we walked towards the back to see the rest of the casino I saw a pair of feet sticking out of the front of a table top slot machine. A homeless guy was laying there. I told a passing employee, who with two other employees picked up the gentleman and walked him to the back exit door.

As we left we walk past the security OFFICER. He tipped his hat and said "Come back soon fellows". We met our personal parking lot security guy and found that our rental car was intact with the windows mirrors and headlights rubbed clean. We gave him a five. As we drove away we saw him walking into the Western.

Would I go back? Yeah just for the atmosphere of a old western casino of old las vegas. I hope the new owners put air conditioning in there.
 
#10
Here is one ya have to love!

BJ21.com: Las Vegas Blackjack
dealer busts thier 21
Posted By: learning to count on 6 August 02, 10:50 p.m.

Just returned from the meadows ftom a seven day BJ excursion. I was playing at a new casino on Flamingo. I had 21 total the dealer had 16. She commenced to hit with a five and then a three busting herself. She emmediatly withdrew to her supervisor who said that the hand was no good. I emmediately protested saying that "hey she busted on her own accord. She dealt herself that hand. SO pay up. The pit boss said that this was against the casino rules. The dealer has to stop at 17 to 21. I said (and this was pulling out all the stops) hey Under Nevada gaming law if she deals her self a bust hand she loses. The Pit boss became nervous as all the rest of the players and onlookers agreed with me. After several minutes of gentle protesting and some added humor to soften the criticism. The pit boss agreed to pay all players that had 17 to 21 and push any other losing hands. We all said "OK"!!!!. After some more discussion by myself the dealer and the other players. The dealer also suggested a shuffle up of the shoe. I was happy because I was at about a -3 TC, RC was -9. The table cheered. Heh heh sometimes ya goota bullshit your way through. The average bet was $25. Oh yeah the shuffle produce a healthy positive count all the way to the cut card. CE LA VIE Not to be too cocky I thanked the pit boss and stated what a liberal and well meaning casino this was.
 

Big Cowboy

Well-Known Member
#11
Great Stories!!!

Let me just say that I must just suck. I mean, here are all of these great stories, and these types of things never seem to happen to me. Granted, I've only been to downtown Vegas once, but I've been to Vegas about seven times--obviously carrying on mostly on the strip. I was single on my trips there. No prostitutes or good-looking hoes came up to me to ask about spreads, penetration, risks and allowed me the chance to turn them down. No drunks yelling at the other players. No Hispanic gentleman giving me advice. I think I just play BJ and mind my business too much. Or is it because I am just a red chip player who sometimes gets lucky and gets a lot of black. I only seem to see on occasion rude or racist dealers. Maybe I should go to the Hard Rock Casino the next time.
 

CC-Management

Well-Known Member
#12
Re: Great Stories!!!

Maybe if you would come in from the cold and sign up with a Profile. You would become a regular and you could hang with the AP's in the know.
 
#13
Tips on having a great time in Vegas

Let me just say that I must just suck. I mean, here are all of these great stories, and these types of things never seem to happen to me. Granted, I've only been to downtown Vegas once, but I've been to Vegas about seven times--obviously carrying on mostly on the strip.
1. Ahaaa you have to take a risk and journey to sleemont street and play at the casinos there.

I was single on my trips there. No prostitutes or good-looking hoes came up to me to ask about spreads, penetration, risks and allowed me the chance to turn them down.
2. Come on man even a monkey in a tux could meet a woman in vegas. ...Hooker or weekend warrior its not that hard. One tip go to the Mirage go to the high rollers pit. There is a lounge...kind of a u shaped long bar there. You will see at least a dozen of women sitting there by themselves usually playing video poker. Go up stand next to them and buy a drink. Start a casual conversation and things will usually go good after that. Topics can include: the heat, how much you won or lost, your recent divorce, or your belief in why the sun is a radioactive furnace etc. etc..

No drunks yelling at the other players. No Hispanic gentleman giving me advice. I think I just play BJ and mind my business too much.
3. Sometimes it's better to mind your own business. BUT if you want to see the seedier side of vegas ya need to hook up with us and you will see.

Or is it because I am just a red chip player who sometimes gets lucky and gets a lot of black.
4.Black huh?!?! Maybe we should hook up with you!

I only seem to see on occasion rude or racist dealers.
5....and your point????????????

Maybe I should go to the Hard Rock Casino the next time.
6. Hardrock sux. Bad pen! High minimums suck! Go to the Palms lots of women hooker and civilian. Barbi doll waitresses. Hip crowd. Descent six deck with fair to good pen!!!!
 

The Mayor

Well-Known Member
#14
The "El Cortez" is not a beginner's casino -- it takes a lot of experience to play there. I suggest sticking to places that don't have snot on the chips until you have some real experience. Avoid: El Cortez, Western, Golden Spike.

I have been kicked out of the Kotex 4 times now for my play there. Once in 3 minutes.

You are getting great advice in this thread.

--Mayor
 

phantom007

Well-Known Member
#16
El Kotex Player's Card

I played there 2 years ago. PC asked if I would like a Player's Card, and be rated. Sure...I gave him my name, address, etc. (yeah, I know, stupid).

After about 30 min., he returned with a PAPER "card", not the usual "credit card quality", with my name and player I.D. # apparently typed on the card.

And my player #? Let us just say that it is between 0001 and 9999. Or in other words, I am about the 5000th Kotex customer to be rated!

After I got my card, my green action kept causing the PC to cough. Must be allergic to the green chips. And coughing often caused the Dealer to shuffle. One Asian dealer apparently did not speak "cough", and kept on dealing...and PC kept on coughing.

After about 3 hours, cashed out $26. ahead. Had been about $300. ahead, but kept getting distracted by some old guy making Royal Match sidebet, and kept losing the count. The gay guy who cashed me out was also VERY friendly! Who says the Kotex does not have Customer Service...just that I prefer my fudge "unpacked".

ph7
 
#17
Re: El Kotex Player's Card

After I got my card, my green action kept causing the PC to cough. Must be allergic to the green chips. And coughing often caused the Dealer to shuffle. One Asian dealer apparently did not speak "cough", and kept on dealing...and PC kept on coughing.

After about 3 hours, cashed out $26. ahead. Had been about $300. ahead, but kept getting distracted by some old guy making Royal Match sidebet, and kept losing the count. The gay guy who cashed me out was also VERY friendly! Who says the Kotex does not have Customer Service...just that I prefer my fudge "unpacked".

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PH7:
I was having another bad night here at work and your post made me laugh...thanks :)

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You are getting great advice in this thread.
.......
The Mayor:
You're right! This is indeed a wonderful place to learn and share information; no matter what level you're at. Thank You!
 

Cyrano

Well-Known Member
#18
Re: El Kotex Player's Card

*lol* I was watching an ABC special "Who wants to steal a million"... 3 people conspired to steal money from "Who wants to be a millionaire" by, of all things, coughing to tip off the right answers. Coincidence?

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After I got my card, my green action kept causing the PC to cough. Must be allergic to the green chips. And coughing often caused the Dealer to shuffle. One Asian dealer apparently did not speak "cough", and kept on dealing...and PC kept on coughing.
 

phantom007

Well-Known Member
#20
Kotex Brown.

Mr. Mayor, not trying to argue with a superior authority, but I do sincerely believe, that they were ORIGINALLY GREEN!

But after typing above, I CONCEDE! The $25. Chips were BROWN! But you must admit they had "little green specks"...what were these specks?

And come to think of it, I believe that the red chips have little brown specks, and the 4 blacks in the rack had little white specks!

DAMN! That Gay Cashier I mentioned several posts above is playing "BUTT PENNIES" with OUR chips!

OK, Sir...you win........but I stayed around long enough for EL KOTEX to buy me a drink!...or four.

Next EC, I mean EK trip, I plan to add a new camoflague (sp?) play...simply pass out in Neg. Counts, and come around when TC exceeds +2 in SD.

phantom007.
 
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