Risk of returning to a casino you have been bared from

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Example: An advantage player enters a casino after being barred. 1 year has elapsed. The counter wins 3000, bought in for 1,000. Goes to the cage and is asked for id. He doesn't show it and doesn't get paid or he does show ID and not get paid his winnings?
 

Ryemo

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JohnCrover said:
Example: An advantage player enters a casino after being barred. 1 year has elapsed. The counter wins 3000, bought in for 1,000. Goes to the cage and is asked for id. He doesn't show it and doesn't get paid or he does show ID and not get paid his winnings?
3rd option; advantage player wins 3K (after buying in 1K), so said AP cashes out 1K at a time, never gets asked for ID, and leaves as if nothing ever happened. Or whatever the threshold is for ID request. Most places it’s 2K or 2.5K. So go cash out 1,500, go eat, then go back and cash another 1,500. Walk around a little bit while you twiddle your thumbs, then cash out the last 1K and leave. But they can’t legally confiscate your chips.
 

21forme

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Ryemo said:
3rd option; advantage player wins 3K (after buying in 1K), so said AP cashes out 1K at a time, never gets asked for ID, and leaves as if nothing ever happened. Or whatever the threshold is for ID request. Most places it’s 2K or 2.5K. So go cash out 1,500, go eat, then go back and cash another 1,500. Walk around a little bit while you twiddle your thumbs, then cash out the last 1K and leave. But they can’t legally confiscate your chips.
+1

However, if it's an Indian casino or a cruise ship, they can do whatever they want.
 
#4
Are you sure they can't legally confiscate your chips if you're barred? We all have heard the stories of people who have self barred themselves and didn't get paid a jack pot. As well as minors who are under age who haven't been paid. I have even heard that some casinos like caesers won't let you cash 500 chips without conformation from the pit. You're also trespassing if you go back so what if facial recognition software recognizes you?
 

Ryemo

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JohnCrover said:
Are you sure they can't legally confiscate your chips if you're barred? We all have heard the stories of people who have self barred themselves and didn't get paid a jack pot. As well as minors who are under age who haven't been paid. I have even heard that some casinos like caesers won't let you cash 500 chips without conformation from the pit. You're also trespassing if you go back so what if facial recognition software recognizes you?
As 21forme said, only Indian casinos or cruise ships have the ability to confiscate. But even an Indian casino doing that is pretty unlikely, but it’s happened before.

Yes, if you are barred from the casino and hit a jackpot, they can refuse to pay. But most casinos can’t take your chip that you already have in your possession.

Just don’t cash all out at once and don’t show ID. You should be fine.
 

Meistro

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In my experience, most casinos don't ask for ID on 3k cashouts, although I did go to one which had a sign stating specifically that they did. 1 year is not really long enough to return but they will just ask you to leave again it is no big deal. They are required by law to cash you out.
 
#7
The OP's question leads to another. If an AP gets placed in one of the databases (picture, name car, license plate etc), what does he do after? Is there anyone who wants to share what they did?

1.Stop playing for some period?

2. Play anonymously for short sessions and if backed off, at one property, go to another?

3. Avoid the city where you got caught and placed in database?
 

Ryemo

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ZeeBabar said:
The OP's question leads to another. If an AP gets placed in one of the databases (picture, name car, license plate etc), what does he do after? Is there anyone who wants to share what they did?

1.Stop playing for some period?

2. Play anonymously for short sessions and if backed off, at one property, go to another?

3. Avoid the city where you got caught and placed in database?
Go to the property next door, start playing, talk to the shift manager and show them your newest entry into OSN, tell them it must have been a mistake, turn in your player’s card, leave right after you make $500. When you’re leaving, make sure to tell them exactly where your next trip will be and don’t forget to mention what hotel you’ll be staying at.
 
#10
Ryemo said:
Go to the property next door, start playing, talk to the shift manager and show them your newest entry into OSN, tell them it must have been a mistake, turn in your player’s card, leave right after you make $500. When you’re leaving, make sure to tell them exactly where your next trip will be and don’t forget to mention what hotel you’ll be staying at.
And I will also be sure to tell them that they can find 21forme at every forum I post. Finally understanding what women face from stalkers. "He says I am ugly, says I am dumb, says he doesn't give a suit about me, says I am a slut, warns others to stay away from me but he is always around wherever I go".
 
#11
ZeeBabar said:
The OP's question leads to another. If an AP gets placed in one of the databases (picture, name car, license plate etc), what does he do after? Is there anyone who wants to share what they did?

1.Stop playing for some period?

2. Play anonymously for short sessions and if backed off, at one property, go to another?

3. Avoid the city where you got caught and placed in database?
I know we're joking around because it's Zee but I'm curious to what the answer to this is. I recently got put into the database and have had a string of backoffs ever since. Would a two month hiatus get me out of the "recent entries" category in the databases?
 

Ryemo

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Red Parrot said:
I know we're joking around because it's Zee but I'm curious to what the answer to this is. I recently got put into the database and have had a string of backoffs ever since. Would a two month hiatus get me out of the "recent entries" category in the databases?
Whenever you get updated into one of the databases, I think it puts you closer to the top of the recent activity list. Obviously for anyone playing full time, this shouldn’t deter you from playing, because realistically, you can’t take a two month hiatus every time you get made. You’d never get any hours in.

This is where networking and overall experience comes into play. Just based off my own experiences, I know some casino chains definitely do not check OSN or Bio, while others are very quick to do so. I have many other friends who play full time, or play very regularly, so many of us share our experiences with each other. If you can network with enough players, it’s not too hard to narrow down the procedures of many different casinos.

If you want, shoot me a PM or hit me up on Discord, Red Parrot.
 

BoSox

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Ryemo said:
3rd option; advantage player wins 3K (after buying in 1K), so said AP cashes out 1K at a time, never gets asked for ID, and leaves as if nothing ever happened. Or whatever the threshold is for ID request. Most places it’s 2K or 2.5K. So go cash out 1,500, go eat, then go back and cash another 1,500. Walk around a little bit while you twiddle your thumbs, then cash out the last 1K and leave. But they can’t legally confiscate your chips.
21forme said:
+1

However, if it's an Indian casino or a cruise ship, they can do whatever they want.
Times are about to be changing starting with the state of Massachusetts. The Mass Gaming Commission is maintaining their own exclusion list from entering now a slot parlor, and in seven months a Mass casino "separate from the self- imposed exclusion list with different regulations" which anyone who ends up on this list and ignores the exclusion and plays anyway, will if caught playing will have their chips, or slots vouchers taken from them "counted at the cage and held in case of an appeal hearing". Not because it will be a casino decision, but by an MGC mandated regulation. Before getting ahead of myself throughout the process from an individual getting on the exclusion list there will be a notification process " which could include a listing in the daily papers with the reason for" to the individual, and a time-limited optional written appeals hearing process by the person excluded. The appeals process also applies to the confiscation of any monies taken from someone already excluded.
 
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Ryemo said:
Whenever you get updated into one of the databases, I think it puts you closer to the top of the recent activity list. Obviously for anyone playing full time, this shouldn’t deter you from playing, because realistically, you can’t take a two month hiatus every time you get made. You’d never get any hours in.

This is where networking and overall experience comes into play. Just based off my own experiences, I know some casino chains definitely do not check OSN or Bio, while others are very quick to do so. I have many other friends who play full time, or play very regularly, so many of us share our experiences with each other. If you can network with enough players, it’s not too hard to narrow down the procedures of many different casinos.

If you want, shoot me a PM or hit me up on Discord, Red Parrot.
Thanks Ryemo. I'll shoot you a message later today.
 
#15
Brings up an issue for me. I got on the database and I have a planned trip to LV in late February. I was not placed on the database by any of the chains (MLife,CET, Station, etc) and plan to play anonymously. At my relatively low stakes, do you think I will get in trouble?
 

bjo32

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#16
I have no idea so I probably shouldn't be giving advice but I just listened to a GWAE podcast No. 248. The guest was "Mike", a blakcjack player. He said after he got in all the databases, he still played rated at some casinos and never had a problem. He said most the casinos he played at never checked these databases.
 
#17
ZeeBabar said:
The OP's question leads to another. If an AP gets placed in one of the databases (picture, name car, license plate etc), what does he do after? Is there anyone who wants to share what they did?

1.Stop playing for some period?

2. Play anonymously for short sessions and if backed off, at one property, go to another?

3. Avoid the city where you got caught and placed in database?

Option 1
Stop hijacking threads to project your own questions. The world does not revolve around you. You have a question, start a new thread. Do not reply by saying that I am not the moderator.
 
#18
Good Guy said:
Option 1
Stop hijacking threads to project your own questions. The world does not revolve around you. You have a question, start a new thread. Do not reply by saying that I am not the moderator.
You ain't!
 
#19
JohnCrover said:
Example: An advantage player enters a casino after being barred. 1 year has elapsed. The counter wins 3000, bought in for 1,000. Goes to the cage and is asked for id. He doesn't show it and doesn't get paid or he does show ID and not get paid his winnings?
Option 4, have a friend cash you chips or sell the chips to a friend. I think casino can and do confiscate chips all the time. If the casino discovered, you were trespassed, it is very likely they will not cash the chips and it will require talking to the casino manager, gaming or getting a legal representation to get the chips, which might be too costly.
 

BJgenius007

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#20
JohnCrover said:
Example: An advantage player enters a casino after being barred. 1 year has elapsed. The counter wins 3000, bought in for 1,000. Goes to the cage and is asked for id. He doesn't show it and doesn't get paid or he does show ID and not get paid his winnings?
The player should just cash in 2K he won. Use the remaining 1K as bank roll for the next trip. Many if not most casinos will check player's ID if the player cashes more than 3K. The better for you is if you visit a casino far away from your base, then stop playing when you have 2.5K chips and want to cash all in once.
 
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