What are insurance rules please?

heads

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So I read a bit hear and a bit there (on paper and on screen)
But I still dont understand the insurance pay outs!

I mean I know if dealers face card is an "Ace" then the play can take out insurance. And if the banker has a Black Jack then instead of paying out 3 to 2 the dealer pays out 2 to 2. But in exchange for what? I ask???
As No mention of the player paying an upfront fee for taking the insurance on.

Any help please?
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gronbog

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The insurance bet is half of your original bet and pays 2 to 1 if the dealer has a blackjack. If the dealer does not have a blackjack, then you lose the insurance bet.

Never take insurance when playing basic strategy.
 

DSchles

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To expand a little on Gronbog's response, I'll provide some numerical examples that may help to clarify the point.

1. Suppose you bet $10 on your hand, and you receive anything but a natural. The dealer's upcard is an ace. You take insurance for half of your bet, or $5. Now, there are two possibilities: 1. The dealer doesn't have blackjack. In that case, you immediately lose your $5 insurance bet and the hand continues, the same as if nothing had happened. (Of course, you lost your $5.) 2. The dealer does have a blackjack. In that case, you lose your original $10 bet, but your $5 insurance bet is paid at 2 to 1, so you win $10 there. Net result? You break even, hence the somewhat erroneous concept that you have "insured" your hand and prevented a loss.

2. Now, suppose that your hand IS a natural, and the dealer shows an ace. If you insure, again, there are two possibilities, but interestingly, whether the dealer has a natural himself or not, the result is the same: you win even money, or, in this case $10. Why? Again, you have two cases. 1. The dealer doesn't have blackjack. In that case, you immediately lose your $5 insurance bet but you also immediately get paid 3 to 2, or $15, for your natural. Net result? You win $10. 2. The dealer does have a blackjack. In that case, you push your original $10 bet, but your $5 insurance bet is paid at 2 to 1, so you win $10 there. Net result? You win $10 again. Since your original wager was $10 and, by insuring, you guarantee a $10 win no matter what, you can simply state, "Even money" and get paid that certain $10 without actually going through the motions of placing the insurance bet. (Note that, although I haven't been there in a while, in A.C., it used to be that you couldn't just voice "even money" in that manner; stupidly, you actually had to physically put the insurance wager on the table.

Clear?

Don
 

heads

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gronbog said:
The insurance bet is half of your original bet and pays 2 to 1 if the dealer has a blackjack. If the dealer does not have a blackjack, then you lose the insurance bet.

Never take insurance when playing basic strategy.
DSchles said:
1. Suppose you bet $10 on your hand, and you receive anything but a natural. The dealer's upcard is an ace. You take insurance for half of your bet, or $5. Now, there are two possibilities: 1. The dealer doesn't have blackjack. In that case, you immediately lose your $5 insurance bet and the hand continues, the same as if nothing had happened. (Of course, you lost your $5.) 2. The dealer does have a blackjack. In that case, you lose your original $10 bet, but your $5 insurance bet is paid at 2 to 1, so you win $10 there. Net result? You break even, hence the somewhat erroneous concept that you have "insured" your hand and prevented a loss.
I dont know what a natural is! But lets say..

Say the player bets $2; and the deals shown first card is an ace. Then can the player take out insurence? and if so dose the player have to pay $1 (meaning 1/2 of the bet stated above) to make the insrance thing work?

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DSchles

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A natural is a blackjack. The answers to your questions are yes and yes. But if you will reread what I wrote carefully and slowly, you ought to understand.

In the meantime, since you aren't counting cards, you should not be taking insurance at any time.

Don
 

heads

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DSchles said:
A natural is a blackjack. The answers to your questions are yes and yes. But if you will reread what I wrote carefully and slowly, you ought to understand.

In the meantime, since you aren't counting cards, you should not be taking insurance at any time.

Don
Actully we bought some board games for fun. and along with that was black jack. so someone has to be the dealer right?

Counting cards, I seam to remember watching a few YT vids out there a while ago of them doing it in Vagas, they seamed to do getting kicked out all the time

Dose card counting pay?
 
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