Cash transaction report or DONT PANIC !!!

BradRod

Well-Known Member
#1
I was recently backroomed and barred at am Indian reservation casino. We are working on a legal settlement for the illegal detention. Indiam reservations have their own laws that seem to do a good job of protecting them from claims of damages by limiting them to claims for monetary losses only.

I think that part of the reason that I received this kind of attention from this place was that although I was a fairly regular player in this small casino I always refused to get a player's card and that really buggrd them. I really must get a fake i.d.

I was concerned that the incident would expose me in other venues where I regularly play and am known by my real identity. After a cautious interval I starting going back to some of my regular places. The other night I sat down to play and was still trying to find my comfort level after the barring incident. I turned in my player card and the PC came back to say that the system did not recognize me. She asked for my driver's license. Starting to get nervous about this I handed it to her. I was continuing to play as I was watching my license gat passed around in the pit area with some conversation that I could not make out. I kept thinking to myself "don't panic. be cool".

Finally it was down to 2 people. Pit supervisor ? shift supervisor ? they were standing close to me. Looking at my license, looking at the computer terminal, going in to a drawer for some paper work I did not recognize, strategizing with each other. I kept playing as cooly as i could and wondering what would happen next.

Finally the guy comes up to me and tells me that I am barred from playing there. Because there were not (yet) any other security people around to control the situation and/or escort me out I somehow felt that this was not related to the incident at the other place and probably not related to counting. So I asked him "barred ? why ?"

He said that the last time that I was there (about 5 days earlier) I refused to provide them information that they requested. I argued the point with them for a while because that never happened. This was all happening while I was sitting at the table. They made me lose my count in the shoe as I remember the cards were not falling so well anyway. The other players and the dealer were more interested in the argument than in the game. And after a while there were some more security people standing by.

It turns out that after I had left in the prior session somebody discovered that I had bought in for more than $10 k, the threshold at which you have to start filing a cash transaction report. They put the notation on my account and that was what triggered the red flag on my player account.

The 10 k buy in occurred because I was actually having a good night but with a high fluctuation. Each time I got enough ahead I would cash in my chips.(I always cash in my chips under $1000 at a window per time to keep below the reporting limit) But then each new time that I sat down at a table I bought in fresh and those repeated buy ins were what accumulated to just over 10k. The lesson is hold onto some chips if you are going to keep playing instead of buying in repeatedly..

They said that if I would fill out a form with my SS # for their files that I would be welcome to stay and that they value me as a player and would rather that I not just leave as I threatened to do. That seemed to me the best thing do in the situation. So I filled out the form , stayed and played.

While I was still playing at the same pit and table where this took place I noticed a Griffin type player profile sheet being passed around in the pit area. I could not tell if it was my photo or not. It looked to me like it might have been ( a handsome white guy with short hair and larger than average ears from what I could see ) . I again got nervous thinking that all this attention had caught someone's notice who might have seen a bulletin about me. After a while they just stuck the sheet in a drawer and left me free to play.

In at least 3 previous times at this casino I remember noticing that I was being watched for counting. A very obvious looking casino staff person who knew how to count would be standing right in the blind spot over my shoulder and counting the shoe to see how my betting corresponds to the count. When I noticed this I took evasive action either by straight betting into a high TC or by using a dynamic system where over the course of 5 hands my bets averaged out to a reasonable bet for the count but the fluctuations from one hand to the next would not make sense to someone looking for betting variations to change only with the TC.

So hopefully even if that was my wanted poster they were looking at they still viewed me as just a player who has unusual betting habits and has been lucky and they are just waiting and hoping to get their money back.

That night I took this casino for over $3000. A very satisfying result and no cash transaction reports were filed.
 

Sun runner

Well-Known Member
#2
CTRs

> That night I took this casino for over $3000.
> A very satisfying result and no cash transaction reports were filed.

In it's proper sense, a cash transaction report would not be filed on a $3,000 event anyway.

None the less, how would you know? It is not encumbant on them to notify you of the filing. Now that they have your information, they have the ability, and the right, to file a cash transaction report on your activity anytime it is warranted. Your only notice will be when your copy comes in the mail.

Finally, a CTR is not the worse thing that can happen. Managed properly, they should not be an issue and should be avoidable, but even so, they are not an indication of money won or money lost. All they imply is that you were transacting business, in cash, that night. It's not against the law.

BTW, I'd like to kow how the litigation comes out.
 

Brillo

Well-Known Member
#3
This didn't have anything to do with counting...

I don't know about Indian Casinos, but floor people in Las Vegas will lose their gaming cards if they don't follow the proper procedures if you buy in for more than $10,000. They are required by law to ban you if you refuse to show ID. Any heat probably had more to do with the question of who you were, and whether or not you were laundering money.
 
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